close fight, can see Surfer winning more than he loses.
taking out Sentry is the key to this fight, imo. he should be able to do that pretty damned quickly, if the Sentry-WWH fight is anything to go by (bust the planet with a casual wave of the hand, leave Sentry dazed at the very least) but who knows ... being generous I'd say a knock-around fight would ensue, with Surfer feeling monumentally drained at the end of it. then WWH comes and snuffs the life out of him 😐.
unlikely, but preferable scenario: Surfer blasts the planet to dust, leaves WWH floating about and Sentry wounded, then goes in for the kill against Sentry, whilst WWH tries to thunderclap stun Surfer ... if Surfer's fast enough, Sentry's dead and it's just WWH vs Surfer.
likely scenario: Sentry goes for the throat and somehow, manages to get the jump on Surfer so that it becomes a tussle. Sentry is eventually downed via blasts and astral-mental attacks (as in "In Thy Name"😉 and then Surfer attempts to siphon the gamma from WWH, fails badly and hurts himself, falling to the ground and in reach of WWH's fists ... Surfer loses 😐.
Originally posted by janus77I could see this, depending upon the writer.
close fight, can see Surfer winning more than he loses.
taking out Sentry is the key to this fight, imo. he should be able to do that pretty damned quickly, if the Sentry-WWH fight is anything to go by (bust the planet with a casual wave of the hand, leave Sentry dazed at the very least) but who knows ... being generous I'd say a knock-around fight would ensue, with Surfer feeling monumentally drained at the end of it. then WWH comes and snuffs the life out of him 😐.unlikely, but preferable scenario: Surfer blasts the planet to dust, leaves WWH floating about and Sentry wounded, then goes in for the kill against Sentry, whilst WWH tries to thunderclap stun Surfer ... if Surfer's fast enough, Sentry's dead and it's just WWH vs Surfer.
likely scenario: Sentry goes for the throat and somehow, manages to get the jump on Surfer so that it becomes a tussle. Sentry is eventually downed via blasts and astral-mental attacks (as in "In Thy Name"😉 and then Surfer attempts to siphon the gamma from WWH, fails badly and hurts himself, falling to the ground and in reach of WWH's fists ... Surfer loses 😐.
Apparently, if Pak is writing, then WWH is more powerful than Odin and Surfer has no chance.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
I could see this, depending upon the writer.Apparently, if Pak is writing, then WWH is more powerful than Odin and Surfer has no chance.
hmm, I think I agree with Pak's general take on Hulk regarding the infinite power thing. it's what I remember from childhood, about the Hulk. there was never any 'limit' as such, apart from the obvious ones - no flight, no matter manipulation, no mental attacks... etc.
I don't agree on the beating Superman/Thor thing, other than on terms favourable to Hulk (ie on the ground and a physical confrontation). but Surfer won't need to even try to over-power Hulk, just keep him at bay and then exploit the gamma siphoning trick.
Originally posted by llagrok
How do you define crush?Because the Surfer was broken, literally.
he was pretty smashed up yes, but as he demonstrated with the Crunch channelling feat, he wasn't out of it by a long shot.
Originally posted by janus77I don't necessarily disagree with Pak's general take on the Hulk either. But the implication that WWH was superior to Thor with the Odinpower seems pretty ridiculous after reading Thor: Disassembled. Then again, writers can be ridiculous and still be good writers.
I think I agree with Pak's general take on Hulk regarding the infinite power thing. it's what I remember from childhood, about the Hulk. there was never any 'limit' as such, apart from the obvious ones - no flight, no matter manipulation, no mental attacks... etc.I don't agree on the beating Superman/Thor thing, other than on terms favourable to Hulk (ie on the ground and a physical confrontation). but Surfer won't need to even try to over-power Hulk, just keep him at bay and then exploit the gamma siphoning trick.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
I don't necessarily disagree with Pak's general take on the Hulk either. But the implication that WWH was superior to Thor with the Odinpower seems pretty ridiculous after reading Thor: Disassembled. Then again, writers can be ridiculous and still be good writers.
During Thor: Disassembled, he had no powers at all actually, but his strength/durability. Badass, I know? 😎
I think that's a problem with the whole World War Hulk arc. it wasn't what it often claimed to be. instead of "WorldBreaker" Hulk, we got a very efficient, tough, incredibly powerful but controlled Hulk.
it's only at the realisation of Meik's 'lessons from Hulk', that he really cuts loose. that's when it starts to demonstrate that Hulk's a lot more than a very powerful brick.
you could easily go back in the history of the character and pull out far more impressive feats, which kind of makes WWH arc a bit too ... safe in underplaying the power.
if they thought that Hulk was the creature most fitting to fight Onslaught, after conclusively and absolutely proving Onslaught's physical dominance over all the other heroes (bar Surfer and a few ubers...), if they have beings far beyond Skyfather make a point of Hulk's likeness to them, what did WWH actually add to the development of the character, aside from the kick-ass Cho-Hercules band and the quite intelligent and funny Hulk persona?
Originally posted by Kutulu
Against classic Hulk, Surfer wins in a stomp.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Against WWH Surfer would have severe trouble, and at bare minimum would be a close battle.
Originally posted by Kutulu
We saw that Hulk's strength increased enough on Planet Hulk to literally knock the Surfer out.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Sentry punked Terrax, a fellow herald of Sufer, casually breaking his axe and crushing his fist without even unleashing a portion of his full power.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Sentry alone would be a very close match for Surfer, potentially the fight could go either way.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Now combine both Sentry and WWHulk against Surfer? It's a pretty hefty margin of victory for the team.
doped.
Originally posted by janus77
Surfer's healed Thor, he is pretty damned good at bringing the 'nearly dying' back to life. that includes himself.he was pretty smashed up yes, but as he demonstrated with the Crunch channelling feat, he wasn't out of it by a long shot.
He was out of it, he was near death.
It's not like he absorbed the crunch energy either, he surfed across it and broke the containment. It's like saying you "channel" the waves when you're surfing. And the Surfer was crushed, didn't you see his skin? He was literally broken and falling apart.
He used a plot item, get with it.