So, I guess the media needs to spend another 3 months talking about it, and parading a string of shocked and weeping students across our news screens, and we'll all sit around asking ourselves how this could happen or how this isn't the "kind of thing" that happens in this town: All the while, the next looney toon is sitting out there watching the media coverage and slowly getting a hard-on over the idea that the same thing could happen to them.
These things don't need to be swept under the rug, but they aren't the time-stopping events that need to consume the attention of every person standing around the water cooler.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
A school has a shooting, and it's on the news. How dare they publicize something like this 🙄
Originally posted by Devil King
These things don't need to be swept under the rug, but they aren't the time-stopping events that need to consume the attention of every person standing around the water cooler.
And there's a difference between reporting a story, and publicizing a story.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
School shootings are a big deal.And this is becoming an alarming "trend". It's like one school shooting after another. It seems to me your complaint is that too much attention is being given to these kinds of situations. Why do you think that way ?
Are you mentally challenged? He just outlined why;
Originally posted by Devil King
So, I guess the media needs to spend another 3 months talking about it, and parading a string of shocked and weeping students across our news screens, and we'll all sit around asking ourselves how this could happen or how this isn't the "kind of thing" that happens in this town: All the while, the next looney toon is sitting out there watching the media coverage and slowly getting a hard-on over the idea that the same thing could happen to them.
I think he's speaking some sense. That line of thinking led to the shooting in the mall in Nebraska.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
School shootings are a big deal.And this is becoming an alarming "trend". It's like one school shooting after another. It seems to me your complaint is that too much attention is being given to these kinds of situations. Why do you think that way ?
Originally posted by Devil King
And there's a difference between reporting a story, and [b]publicizing a story. [/B]
Originally posted by Kram3r
Are you mentally challenged? He just outlined why;
Suck my Dick
Originally posted by Kram3r
I think he's speaking some sense. That line of thinking led to the shooting in the mall in Nebraska.
Although crime influences crime, putting less attention on this issue is not going to reduce future occurances. If a person being bullied at school is already at that point, what they see on the News is not going to make much difference.
I think what they need to do, is schools seriously need to strengthen thier bullying and harassment policies. They aren't being taken seriously enough, and school bullying has been an almost acceptable aspect of youth/school life since as far back as you can go.
If anything, I feel the problem is that very few take bullying seriously. Many parents, teachers, faculties, etc. feel that bullying is just a natural part of one's life, and that it's almost a "necessary" part of thier social development.
I thnk these explosions are evidense of the opposite.
Devil King, I don't see your issue.
School bullying, harassment, hazing, etc. happens at a muchhh larger rate than we can imagine. Problem is most students keep it to themselves, out of fear of embarrassment, which is why awareness is low.
Read my above post for the rest of my point on that....
I think spotlight on this issue is necessary. Who cares if the media is trying to "sell" this story. I think in this case, bad news is better than No News.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
putting less attention on this issue is not going to reduce future occurances.
But how will paying MORE attention to it influence people who were
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
being bullied at school
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Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
the News is not going to make much difference.
Except that the media are the idealized outlet through which so many of these kids see themselves getting their very public revenge for said bullying. If you'd spent 4 years (or however long a person went to college, after) being the guy no one pays any attention to, wouldn't the connection to revenge be obvious? We see the faces of these guys plastered across our screens for 3 solid months and we don't understand why these hated guys see the public attention being a motivator for their revenge to actually happen?
you honestly don't think every one of these guys hasn't thought "everyone in the world will realize I was the wrong guy to **** with!"? And we do exactly what they want, public revenge, and thus we provide an incentive for others to do the same?
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I think what they need to do, is schools seriously need to strengthen thier bullying and harassment policies.
impossible.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
They aren't being taken seriously enough, and school bullying has been an almost acceptable aspect of youth/school life since as far back as you can go.
So, you want to remove human interaction from the high school experience?
Originally posted by Devil King
But how will paying [b]MORE attention to it influence people who were[/B]
Not every single person who has been bullied is going to think "You know what ? I'm gonna teach everyone a lesson by shooting thier asses up in school tomorrow"
Technically, everyone has been bullied. Atleast once or twice. The thing is some get bullied for extended periods of time and to higher intensities, while others are far more fortunate.
People who are being bullied to that extant need to SPEAK UP
Ignoring the situation will make things worse, on both a general and individual basis.
I disagree with what you are saying in general. It's the same logic as arguing that horror movies cause people to become serial killers. Come on....a person who hasn't already had the mentality to harm others, won't suddenly be like "You know what...I should try killing everyone". It takes years of pent up anguish to get to that level.
Originally posted by Devil King
Except that the media are the idealized outlet through which so many of these kids see themselves getting their very public revenge for said bullying. If you'd spent 4 years (or however long a person went to college, after) being the guy no one pays any attention to, wouldn't the connection to revenge be obvious? We see the faces of these guys plastered across our screens for 3 solid months and we don't understand why these hated guys see the public attention being a motivator for their revenge to actually happen?
You act as if the News is all kids watch....and you know, most kids don't watch the news....so I think your worry is exxagerated. There are other sources of information, advice, media, etc. - other outlets that kids and teenagers have for these kinds of situations.
Okay..I'll give you one benefit of the doubt...perhaps a few psychopaths will be influenced...but they have to have the tendency in them already to do such a thing, in order to go through with it. The media hype may be a possible "trigger" for one or two psychopaths, but it won't create the psychopath.
And no, the media doesn't have to focus on the guy who did the shooting. But I don't see that happening. I don't see any school shooters being glamourized or publicized.
It's the issue of the shooting itself that takes dominion. And it should. Attention needs to be brought to the issue of school bullying. It's an all too common problem, with very little attention placed to it.
Do you have any idea how many kids drop out of school, simply because of the level of bullying ? How bullying affects suicide rates, drug abuse, etc.
Come on man....open your eyes...this is an issue that needs attention, and ignoring it will do FAR MORE HARM than good.
Originally posted by Devil King
you honestly don't think every one of these guys hasn't thought "everyone in the world will realize I was the wrong guy to **** with!"? And we do exactly what they want, public revenge, and thus we provide an incentive for others to do the same?
Everyone thinks that, but how many of those people actually go through with something like that ? We've had what.....4 or 5 major cases in the country of school shootings....out of how many millions of kids being bullied ?
I don't understand what your solution would be. Are you saying we shouldn't focus on something like school bullying ? Do nothing about it... ? Kids just gotta put up with bullshit, and let it be ?
Originally posted by Devil King
impossible.
How is that impossible ? There are many measures one can take when being bullied. A child being bullied does NOT have to put up with it. Parents can sue the school and the parents of the other child, if thier child is bullied. Problem is, most parents don't take it to that level. They just try to "toughen" thier kid up, or distract them with other outlets...
Teachers and Principles are in charge of the schools. There are diverse policies, against discrimination based on race, sex, etc. There should be no reason why non-specific discriminate bullying placed on the same level of importance.
Originally posted by Devil King
So, you want to remove human interaction from the high school experience?
Are you stupid ?
You don't get my point. In New York, in many schools, bullying and harassment policies have improved. Less forms of harassment are tolerated, and consequences are more severe.
But the schools and districts can only do so much. The rest is up to the counselors, parents, and children themselves. There are already programs which teach children what to do when being excessively bullied, and they are taught not to put up with it. However, these programs aren't put on priority, so less children and parents recieve less information on thier options.
If more schools put focus on anti-bullying/harassment policies, things will change for the better.
But this apathetic approach you are taking. the whole "kids will be kids" mentality is what is generating the harm further.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Not every single person who has been bullied is going to think "You know what ? I'm gonna teach everyone a lesson by shooting thier asses up in school tomorrow"
Nor did i say there was. as you point out later, everyone has felt bullied at some point in their lives.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Technically, everyone has been bullied. Atleast once or twice. The thing is some get bullied for extended periods of time and to higher intensities, while others are far more fortunate.
so we should sell a high school mentality to the entire nation?
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny People who are being bullied to that extant need to SPEAK UP
But not with automatic machine guns. Believing they should act out is an implication that the high school mind set should persist after high school.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Ignoring the situation will make things worse, on both a general and individual basis.
No one has supported ignoring it.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I disagree with what you are saying in general. It's the same logic as arguing that horror movies cause people to become serial killers. Come on....a person who hasn't already had the mentality to harm others, won't suddenly be like "You know what...I should try killing everyone". It takes years of pent up anguish to get to that level.
i realize you disagree with me. It is not the same logic as supporting the idea that horror movies incite school violence. Your assumption supports the idea that we should all live in far of the consequential actions of people who operate from an inconsequential place, who live around us. This is what the news feeds on. what your example dismisses is the notion that people can't realize that a movie or a CD or a video game isn't reality, and marketed as such, while ignoring the fact that news is sold to us as reality...as the real life events of everyone in our neighbourhoods.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
You act as if the News is all kids watch....and you know, most kids don't watch the news....so I think your worry is exxagerated. There are other sources of information, advice, media, etc. - other outlets that kids and teenagers have for these kinds of situations.
None of which are presented to us as reality, as is the news.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Okay..I'll give you one benefit of the doubt...perhaps a few psychopaths will be influenced...but they have to have the tendency in them already to do such a thing, in order to go through with it. The media hype may be a possible "trigger" for one or two psychopaths, but it won't create the psychopath.
you've watched too many showings of Elephant. How many times did Hitler shoot up a school?
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
And no, the media doesn't have to focus on the guy who did the shooting. But I don't see that happening. I don't see any school shooters being glamourized or publicized.
Doesn't HAVE to, is my point. But every possible substantiating fact is paraded across our news screens and it's given as much time as Anna Nichol killing herself on prescription drugs. How about the reporting where we're told this is "the dealiest school shooting in history". and the one that comes out with the highest numbers are used to illustrate the tragedy level. Illinois wasn't AS bad as Virginia Tech, but the students of Virginia Tech want the students at Illinois to know they "understand".
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
It's the issue of the shooting itself that takes dominion. And it should. Attention needs to be brought to the issue of school bullying. It's an all too common problem, with very little attention placed to it.
And that's why I wonder if you really have an understanding of human nature. There's bullying at work, and amongst friends or lovers and on and on and on.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Do you have any idea how many kids drop out of school, simply because of the level of bullying ? How bullying affects suicide rates, drug abuse, etc.
Or pregnancy or apathy or disinterest or no money at home. the list gos on and on, far beyond bullying.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Everyone thinks that, but how many of those people actually go through with something like that ? We've had what.....4 or 5 major cases in the country of school shootings....out of how many millions of kids being bullied ?
4 or 5? Should we also remove education of history from teh education system?
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I don't understand what your solution would be. Are you saying we shouldn't focus on something like school bullying ? Do nothing about it... ? Kids just gotta put up with bullshit, and let it be ?
Yeah, kids gotta put up with bullshit, just like everyone else who makes it out of childhood. When was the last time you went through a bullshit-free day?
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
How is that impossible ? There are many measures one can take when being bullied. A child being bullied does NOT have to put up with it. Parents can sue the school and the parents of the other child, if thier child is bullied. Problem is, most parents don't take it to that level. They just try to "toughen" thier kid up, or distract them with other outlets...
so get your rocks on and kick their asses, not the asses of those you see as teh crowd standing around giving you a second thought when the jock gives you a wedgie. Again, a high school mentality we can all look back on and relate to, but which doesn't motivate most of us for the rest of our lives.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Teachers and Principles are in charge of the schools. There are diverse policies, against discrimination based on race, sex, etc. There should be no reason why non-specific discriminate bullying placed on the same level of importance.
teachers and principles may be in charge of teaching and administering, but they have little influece in teh locker room or in the parking lot. Teachers speak up all teh time, but it isn't those cases which drive these kids to go to their parents house and take their sub automatic machine guns and mow down their entire graduating class.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Are you stupid ?
Obviously, you think so. That reflects well on your desire to debate me.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
You don't get my point. In New York, in many schools, bullying and harassment policies have improved. Less forms of harassment are tolerated, and consequences are more severe.
too bad these things aren't happening in NYC. In nyc, they happen in the streets, after lunch is over. (and that doesn't dismiss the possiblility that they can happen)
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
But the schools and districts can only do so much.
Exactly my point. But you've spent the last 6 paragraphs telling us they can do everything to prevent it.
I stay firm in my belief that it's the gun policy in the U.S that's the problem. Without a gun you can't shoot up a school full of people, I'm sure people's replies are going to be that they'd find some other way, though to be honest, where else in the world has so many school killing sprees? I can't think of one other country.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I stay firm in my belief that it's the gun policy in the U.S that's the problem. Without a gun you can't shoot up a school full of people, I'm sure people's replies are going to be that they'd find some other way, though to be honest, where else in the world has so many school killing sprees? I can't think of one other country.
Agreed.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I stay firm in my belief that it's the gun policy in the U.S that's the problem. Without a gun you can't shoot up a school full of people, I'm sure people's replies are going to be that they'd find some other way, though to be honest, where else in the world has so many school killing sprees? I can't think of one other country.
There are over 300 million people int he U.S. if your messed up enough to murder your classmates or students who go to a school that you already graduated from, then obtaining a gun illegally shouldn't be a problem. I have no idea how this problem could be fixed, but having stricter rules on gun to me seems obsolete. Also its in our constitution's (I believe the second amendment) states the people have the right to form a militia. (There is already arguments about if this applies to owning personal guns).
Originally posted by PINBALL
There are over 300 million people int he U.S. if your messed up enough to murder your classmates or students who go to a school that you already graduated from, then obtaining a gun illegally shouldn't be a problem. I have no idea how this problem could be fixed, but having stricter rules on gun to me seems obsolete. Also its in our constitution's (I believe the second amendment) states the people have the right to form a militia. (There is already arguments about if this applies to owning personal guns).
It would be a lot harder to get hold of a gun if there weren't shops everywhere selling them, wouldn't it? The people who usually commit these shootings are loners, with no real friendships, I find it hard to believe they'd have the contacts to acquire an illegal weapon.
I come from a country where guns are illegal, there are illegal weapons about the place, but to my knowledge there has never been any school shootings, at least not by a student.
I also think that the whole argument of the constitution is ridiculous, it's been changed before now, hasn't it?
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
It would be a lot harder to get hold of a gun if there weren't shops everywhere selling them, wouldn't it? The people who usually commit these shootings are loners, with no real friendships, I find it hard to believe they'd have the contacts to acquire an illegal weapon.
I come from a country where guns are illegal, there are illegal weapons about the place, but to my knowledge there has never been any school shootings, at least not by a student.I also think that the whole argument of the constitution is ridiculous, it's been changed before now, hasn't it?
He meant the right to bare arms I think. The supreme court will not specifically define it so right now, that means you can own a gun.
If your country does not have school shootings...then maybe would should try it. Of course, that would greatly increase illegal arms dealing..............................................................................I DON"T KNOW WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS!!!!!!!!