Iron Man with twist vs Silver Surfer

Galactus said he was upgrading Surfer and prior to that Surfer did upgrade himself with the blackbody he absorbed in prepping for his fight with UniLord. he also absorbed all of UniLord's souls but I think he released them, not sure.

anyway, yes... if the Motherbox is that good then it might give Tony the edge, but it sounds just like a GL ring... I want to know more about its limitations (of which there are some, I'm sure).

IM's tech is great but he's not got the sort of all humbling win-loss record with it, when confronting major powers, to put him in the prep-threat category of someone like Doom. Doom's tech-prep almost always results in a victory for Doom. IM's usually results in a few chuckles for the reader (Hulkbuster, Thor-buster, the armour he fought Storm in... not that Storm belongs in the same class of threat).

Originally posted by janus77
Galactus said he was upgrading Surfer and prior to that Surfer did upgrade himself with the blackbody he absorbed in prepping for his fight with UniLord. he also absorbed all of UniLord's souls but I think he released them, not sure.

anyway, yes... if the Motherbox is that good then it might give Tony the edge, but it sounds just like a GL ring... I want to know more about its limitations (of which there are some, I'm sure).

IM's tech is great but he's not got the sort of all humbling win-loss record with it, when confronting major powers, to put him in the prep-threat category of someone like Doom. Doom's tech-prep almost always results in a victory for Doom. IM's usually results in a few chuckles for the reader (Hulkbuster, Thor-buster, the armour he fought Storm in... not that Storm belongs in the same class of threat).

Well heres what a motherbox did for Superman in combat against Doomsday

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/7-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/8-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/9-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/10-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/11-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/12-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/13-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/14-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/15-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/16-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/17-2.jpg

It heals his wounds gives him an energy sword and a sonic gun. Basically though it has its limitations because he still lost. I dont think we can assume that IM wins 10/10 when we saw what happened in this fight....however IM's teach + motherbox and 1 week I think should give a good fight.

Heres some other stuff.

http://www.ironmanarmory.com/thorarmor.html

IMs Asgardian arlour but im not sure if he has it anymore.

A technique that IM can use on SS.

http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad35bd.jpg
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad48uz.jpg

hmm, think the prep time might be more of a factor than the motherbox. as it doesn't seem to be doing much of anything, auto-healing is nice but not when the opponent can kill you in one-shot... nothing to heal from.

but with prep, IM might get Surfer in some kind of field that neutralizes a lot of Surfer's powers ... dunno.

Originally posted by janus77
hmm, think the prep time might be more of a factor than the motherbox. as it doesn't seem to be doing much of anything, auto-healing is nice but not when the opponent can kill you in one-shot... nothing to heal from.

Well yeah Superman still has to do some work.....dont forget the motherbox also gave him the sonic gun and energy sword, the problem was that Doomsday was more adaptable. 🙄

Originally posted by janus77

but with prep, IM might get Surfer in some kind of field that neutralizes a lot of Surfer's powers ... dunno.

Well at any rate IM already has tech that can anaylze and adapt to SS to an extent, with a weeks prep he can upgrade the motherbox and make it more adaptable. Having the motherbox does not help IM in anyway especially if he mkes it more effective ie in the case of DD IM can make it gave him added durability and HF.

rofl, I thought the energy sword was a nice touch. which idiot came up with that? "yeah so, this guy's like so strong that Superman can't even let him grab him once or else it's over... so the motherbox'll have to give him some offensive tools to help like ... a sword 😈"

might as well have come up with a pair of tweasers to force DD to submit, once superman's got DD's nasal hair in their grip (that shit hurts man!).

I think Surfer could just as easily adapt around any siphoning or draining or wavelength harmonising tactics, he does afterall, posses fantastic levels of matter and energy manip abilities.

it's the baiting and trapping, I'm thinking of. IM could definitely lure Surfer into something or other. unless Surfer decides to blow up the world just as a precaution...

Originally posted by janus77
rofl, I thought the energy sword was a nice touch. which idiot came up with that? "yeah so, this guy's like so strong that Superman can't even let him grab him once or else it's over... so the motherbox'll have to give him some offensive tools to help like ... a sword 😈"

might as well have come up with a pair of tweasers to force DD to submit, once superman's got DD's nasal hair in their grip (that shit hurts man!).

Huh it wasnt actually a bad idea, its just that DD had a strong HF, the sonic gun was working as well but DD adapted to that as well, if it were more adaptable it could have worked...damn. 😬

Hell the motherbox was a long ranged attack and thats what was initially used....I mean c'mon man I think you're downplaying it a bit here.

Originally posted by janus77

I think Surfer could just as easily adapt around any siphoning or draining or wavelength harmonising tactics, he does afterall, posses fantastic levels of matter and energy manip abilities.

Yes he could but if you add the motherbox to IMs tech when SS adapts to get out of one thing the motherbox can then use another attack. You see where im coming from, the motherbox adapts to the opponent but it just needs to be made more efficient.

Originally posted by janus77

it's the baiting and trapping, I'm thinking of. IM could definitely lure Surfer into something or other. unless Surfer decides to blow up the world just as a precaution...

Well yeah theres that as well...........

was maybe overplaying the humour of the sword thing. seriously though, I can't see that as being a good demonstration of the motherbox's battle tactics 😐.

big overpowering brick = don't get up close

as for the more efficient motherbox idea, definitely a potential threat, at the very least it'll amp some of IM's attacks... though if Surfer suspects IM's amped, Surfer would definitely stop pulling his punches/blasts... it'd be a more interesting fight, than without the motherbox, obviously.

the planet blowing thing would be out of character, if the planet in question was inhabited... so I guess that's out of the question.

Originally posted by janus77
was maybe overplaying the humour of the sword thing. seriously though, I can't see that as being a good demonstration of the motherbox's battle tactics 😐.

big overpowering brick = don't get up close

Ok but why do you think it gave him the sonic gun? Dont forget as well that the HF was useful as well, ok it would have been better if it gave him armour but at least it kept him in the fight.

Originally posted by janus77

as for the more efficient motherbox idea, definitely a potential threat, at the very least it'll amp some of IM's attacks... though if Surfer suspects IM's amped, Surfer would definitely stop pulling his punches/blasts... it'd be a more interesting fight, than without the motherbox, obviously.

Most defintely, from my understanding the mb is your friend and is supposed to adapt to help you in situations. I envisage a situation were IM incorporate the mb into his armour makes the mb familar to the SS's powers and attacks. Im sure that IM probably has some data on SS and the possible use and applications of his powers, one incorporated into his armour IM may not even have to think he could let the MB do alot of the work.

Originally posted by janus77

the planet blowing thing would be out of character, if the planet in question was inhabited... so I guess that's out of the question.

Anyway I envisage IM using a battle armour combined with the mb.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well heres what a motherbox did for Superman in combat against Doomsday

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/7-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/8-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/9-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/10-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/11-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/12-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/13-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/14-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/15-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/16-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/17-2.jpg

It heals his wounds gives him an energy sword and a sonic gun. Basically though it has its limitations because he still lost. I dont think we can assume that IM wins 10/10 when we saw what happened in this fight....however IM's teach + motherbox and 1 week I think should give a good fight.

Heres some other stuff.

http://www.ironmanarmory.com/thorarmor.html

IMs Asgardian arlour but im not sure if he has it anymore.

A technique that IM can use on SS.

http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad35bd.jpg
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad48uz.jpg

I agree with this. With the stipulations in this thread...IM can beat SS.

Interesting thing...the more I see of certain things...the more I think that Mags at full potential may give SS some trouble... (as long as SS doesnt do something like destroy the planet they are on asap.)

Um.......losing to H/P DD isn't a knock against the motherbox. Surfer would get raped against him too. 😬 Even a Darkseid avatar got killed by H/P DD.

lol,
Surfer would toy with DD. just rewrite the dna or pull him apart at the subatomic level.

also, since DD can obviously be hurt physically, Surfer should be able to trap him in a powerful wormhole squish him with it.

Originally posted by janus77
lol,
Surfer would toy with DD. just rewrite the dna or pull him apart at the subatomic level.

also, since DD can obviously be hurt physically, Surfer should be able to trap him in a powerful wormhole squish him with it.

stfugtfo

anger management?
you're not a teen are you? 😕

Originally posted by Evangel94
With this Iron Man should win. I will also note that Iron Man has stalemated Silver Surfer twice before by absorbing Silver Surfer's power cosmic and powering up his armor.

Indeed.

I like to add to that by saying that Iron Man did that by just doing some quick modifications to his armor on the fly whereas Doom needed a separate massive device.

Originally posted by janus77
anger management?
you're not a teen are you? 😕

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Incorrect. Surfer has no demonstratible powerup. What Galactus did was remove a mental block.

And comparing Doom's tech to a motherbox is a joke. Nothing Doom has compares to that thing. Sentient, self-evolving, capability enhancing telepathic technology with a direct link to god? Ha!

It's clear that nobody in this thread understands the godsend that Tony has gotten in the motherbox. If the MB is actively helping him and he uses it well, yes, he can take 10/10 from Surfer. If it spent the week upgrading his suit, it would give him the edge.

I'm not saying the feats don't exist, but I've never seen one personally...

The thing is that the motherbox gives the exact things needed to win.
Meaning that if you use them then you will definitely win (otherwise it wouldn't have given them).
The reason why Superman couldn't win with it is because Doomsday evolved on the fly. If DD couldn't evolve on the fly then he would have lost. SS can't evolve on the fly.

Anyway, I see Tony using the box's help with his tech to create a Super suit (like the Aegis Armor or better). The box itself will upgrade Tony's stats (like reactions and energy absorption and manipulation abilities, etc.). The box will also create any weapons or powers in the suit that can take out the Surfer in one swipe.

Tony wins this. More interesting would be Tony with 6 months prep but no mother box.

Originally posted by h1a8
The thing is that the motherbox gives the exact things needed to win.
Meaning that if you use them then you will definitely win (otherwise it wouldn't have given them).
The reason why Superman couldn't win with it is because Doomsday evolved on the fly. If DD couldn't evolve on the fly then he would have lost. SS can't evolve on the fly.

Anyway, I see Tony using the box's help with his tech to create a Super suit (like the Aegis Armor or better). The box itself will upgrade Tony's stats (like reactions and energy absorption and manipulation abilities, etc.). The box will also create any weapons or powers in the suit that can take out the Surfer in one swipe.

Tony wins this. More interesting would be Tony with 6 months prep but no mother box.

I'm not saying that Surfer wins this mind you because it would be totally "In character" for Tony to reequip all of his old armors(plus a bunch of new ones) with Motherboxes and just dogpile the shit out of Surfer, but just having a Motherbox wouldn't automatically give Tony a win over Surfer.

Originally posted by h1a8
The thing is that the motherbox gives the exact things needed to win.
Meaning that if you use them then you will definitely win (otherwise it wouldn't have given them).
The reason why Superman couldn't win with it is because Doomsday evolved on the fly. If DD couldn't evolve on the fly then he would have lost. SS can't evolve on the fly.

Anyway, I see Tony using the box's help with his tech to create a Super suit (like the Aegis Armor or better). The box itself will upgrade Tony's stats (like reactions and energy absorption and manipulation abilities, etc.). The box will also create any weapons or powers in the suit that can take out the Surfer in one swipe.

Tony wins this. More interesting would be Tony with 6 months prep but no mother box.

clearly it's not infallible nor all-powerful, unlike you and trickster are making out. it gets tiring hearing OTT hype about some device or other, only to see the 'reality' is all too predictably underwhelming.

why didn't it create a dimensional conduit to suck DD off into some barren part of space? Surfer could do that with the power cosmic.
why didn't it even attempt to change up the range weapons?

I'm not sure how much more of a threat the motherbox makes Tony, over the prep-time alone.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
A technique that IM can use on SS.

http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad35bd.jpg
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=norad48uz.jpg

So... as soon as the fight starts, IM will appear behind Surfer, and just zap his energy?