Iron Man with twist vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by iceman24567
Leave the kid alone 😱 . Hunter Prey Doomsday would beat Surfer in my opinion he was pretty powerful by all standards he evolved whenever he needed too.

it's not as if his matter cannot be displaced and distorted altered... Superman sticking a sword into him is proof of all that.

Surfer would quite likely re-write the dna, and if there was some impediment to the re-write, he would pull apart the molecules that go to make up the individual strands of dna... evolution, as far as I'm aware, is the transmission of information through dna, no evolution without the information - and Surfer can re-write dna easily. and on colossal scales (planet-wide and instantaneous).

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If it spent the week upgrading his suit, it would give him the edge.

Originally posted by Priest
Since the day The Hulk left earth, Ironman was preparing for his return making a new Hulk Buster suit and still got his ass kicked 😐
Surfer ftw.

That was World War Hulk. 😛 Even Batman prepping for a year would have lost if Pak was writing it. 😆

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That was World War Hulk. 😛 Even Batman prepping for a year would have lost if Pak was writing it. 😆

Originally posted by Priest
Technolgy can only go so far against the real deal imo, remember what Thor did to the Thor buster armor?

I actually agree with this point. But New Gods tech is so far beyond anything in marvel (with only celestial tech coming anywhere near it), and coupled with the fact that it draws power from, and is directly connected to the source, and as someone put it, "In that sense, they can be seen as a computer that links man to God."

New Gods tech crosses the line from mere technology, into divine and demonic artisanship.

Originally posted by Priest
Technolgy can only go so far against the real deal imo, remember what Thor did to the Thor buster armor?

And so that is relevant... Tony is the greatest tech master in Marvel... he would smoke Galactus in a tech war. sly

Originally posted by janus77
excuse me but what part of "overpowering brick = stay out of range" didn't motherbox understand? or did DD evolve to being that strong on the fly during the fight?

clearly it's not infallible nor all-powerful, unlike you and trickster are making out. it gets tiring hearing OTT hype about some device or other, only to see the 'reality' is all too predictably underwhelming.

why didn't it create a dimensional conduit to suck DD off into some barren part of space? Surfer could do that with the power cosmic.
why didn't it even attempt to change up the range weapons?

I'm not sure how much more of a threat the motherbox makes Tony, over the prep-time alone.

The limit to the motherbox is that it only sees the present weakness and not a future one. DD would have been destroyed by those sonics if he didn't evolve past it. He would have also been cut to pieces by the sword the motherbox made if he didn't evolve. So the motherbox was successful against DD. Its just that DD evolved to get rid of those weaknesses.

What would happen if Tony used something that the motherbox created against SS? SS would be dead instantly for he can't evolve past the attack.

Do you think SS can beat someone in the Aegis Armor? If so then its time to ignore everything you say. The motherbox could easily upgrade Tony's suit to an Aegis Armor or better. SS has absolutely no chance if Tony has both the motherbox and prep.

Originally posted by janus77
I don't get how a creature wholly based upon dna evolution, would not be vulnerable to dna manipulation.

it's not as if his matter cannot be displaced and distorted altered... Superman sticking a sword into him is proof of all that.

Surfer would quite likely re-write the dna, and if there was some impediment to the re-write, he would pull apart the molecules that go to make up the individual strands of dna... evolution, as far as I'm aware, is the transmission of information through dna, no evolution without the information - and Surfer can re-write dna easily. and on colossal scales (planet-wide and instantaneous).

The OE>>>>anything SS can do.
Its matter manipulation power is leagues above SS.
Yet it didn't do jack to DD but make him mad. So SS ain't putting a scratch on DD. Why can't SS dna manipulate Thanos, Thor, etc? Surely they have dna.

Originally posted by h1a8
The limit to the motherbox is that it only sees the present weakness and not a future one. DD would have been destroyed by those sonics if he didn't evolve past it. He would have also been cut to pieces by the sword the motherbox made if he didn't evolve. So the motherbox was successful against DD. Its just that DD evolved to get rid of those weaknesses.

What would happen if Tony used something that the motherbox created against SS? SS would be dead instantly for he can't evolve past the attack.

Do you think SS can beat someone in the Aegis Armor? If so then its time to ignore everything you say. The motherbox could easily upgrade Tony's suit to an Aegis Armor or better. SS has absolutely no chance if Tony has both the motherbox and prep.

Entropy Aegis? No, I wouldn't go that far.

And they tried BFRing DD twice during that fight. Didn't work. Waverider got desintegrated when he tried it, and Supes got slapped down for his troubles. They only beat him by dumping him into Entropy.

Originally posted by h1a8
The thing is that the motherbox gives the exact things needed to win.
Meaning that if you use them then you will definitely win (otherwise it wouldn't have given them).
The reason why Superman couldn't win with it is because Doomsday evolved on the fly. If DD couldn't evolve on the fly then he would have lost. SS can't evolve on the fly.

My god so you mean all the 100s of scans shown to you with SS using different techniques in combat went over your head?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not saying that a Motherbox isn't an impressive piece of tech, I just don't think a single one is more impressive/useful than all of the tech Doom has at his disposal. Nor have I seen anything from one that trumps the feats of the Surfer's Power Cosmic.

I'm not saying that Surfer wins this mind you because it would be totally "In character" for Tony to reequip all of his old armors(plus a bunch of new ones) with Motherboxes and just dogpile the shit out of Surfer, but just having a Motherbox wouldn't automatically give Tony a win over Surfer.

Exactly. Its useful but not infallable.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So... IM can use that technique on Surfer?

So... as soon as the fight starts, IM will appear behind Surfer, and just zap his energy?

No that was not the point I was trying to make I was simply making the point that IM already has tech that can analyze SS's powers.

Originally posted by h1a8
The OE>>>>anything SS can do.
Its matter manipulation power is leagues above SS.
Yet it didn't do jack to DD but make him mad. So SS ain't putting a scratch on DD. Why can't SS dna manipulate Thanos, Thor, etc? Surely they have dna.

Actually those guys you mentioned have got total can control over their molecular structure and can probably do the same thing ( especially thanos). In addition I dont think the OE matter manipulation is actually in the same vein as ss manipulation. Does the OE operate on the submolecular level? I always thought it was an attack that erased people from the source i.e disintegration. IF so then that actually is not matter manipulation in the same style as silver surfer

I think this is a close fight.....i will go with tony/mother box/prep for the win

Originally posted by starlock
I think this is a close fight.....i will go with tony/mother box/prep for the win

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Fair enough.

Very good thread 👆

Originally posted by starlock
Very good thread 👆

Cheers. 😄

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SS wins

Originally posted by ultimatethor
SS wins

Ok fair enough, more details please.

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Hmm I think tony is a smart guy and enough resources to know the capabilities of silver surfer and many of his powers and will be able to reproduce his powers and have the mother box develop something for him for each ability of the silver surfer. IM suit records like eveything or something right? Anyway that doesn't matter. I think a week is enough for tony to work with the mother box and develop a good defense and offense for the SS. I feel Tony would only lose if he underestimates SS's full power.