Originally posted by MindsetHow powerful is current Beyonder?
He has Multiversal influence, but not in the simultaneous sense,
meaning he was able to cross UniverseS affecting each individually.
Until Eternity and the LT put a stop to that,
and sealed him in his own Universe.
Originally posted by King KandyHow is it that Beyonder is at Eternity's level but is below a celestial?
Although single Universes are referred to as Eternity
(them sharing the same consciousness and all)
they are in truth just pieces of the totality.
Originally posted by King Kandy
So? Even an aspect is above a celestial.
Eternity Aspects are above Celestial 616 counter-parts though, that's for sure.
As they should be.
Every Aspect of Eternity is "supposed" to be,
the most powerful entity within the respective Universe they embody.
But as you know, there's always those anomalies of power that surface,
and somehow rise above the Universe they reside in.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Not over 616 Celestials, that's for sure.Eternity Aspects are above Celestial 616 counter-parts though, that's for sure.
As they should be.Every Aspect of Eternity is "supposed" to be,
the most powerful entity within the respective Universe they embody.
But as you know, there's always those anomalies of power that surface,
and somehow rise above the Universe they reside in.
Originally posted by Mindset
[B]So...Beyonder > most Celestials? >_>
Yes, Beyonder should be above alternate Celestials.
Although I prefer to investigate this before making it an official claim that came from me.
Cause Cube beings simply haven't battled alternate Celestials,
so I would have to look into my collection, see what alternates are capable of,
gauge that against what I know Beyonder can do,
and then a sound decision can be made.
But I don't like making claims without proof.
But again, logic makes me agree with you.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, perhaps I should say that the 616 universe aspect is above celestials,
and Beyonder is around it's level.
616 Celestials are far beyond Cube beings.
It's just not in their character to go around crashing Universes,
or altering reality on said scales.
In fact, as we know, Eternity created the Celestials for a prupose,
they literally nurture the Universe with life.
What's interesting is this,
Celestials created Mankind,
and one day,
Mankind will rule everything in the Cosmos.
Hence, the vision of the LT and company bowing to the Stranger,
because the Stranger wanted to become, what Humans were destined to be.
What I would like to furhter investigate is,
who are the Celestials in that Universe Doom passed by?
Is this where the 616 Celestials are produced?
Or this where all Celestials are born?
Or this a completely separate set of Celestials neither connected to 616 or alternates?
I like the idea of attempting to iron out comic heirarchies and metaphysics but, much like the abrahamic faiths... there is no essential logic... it's made up by minds just about smart enough to engage us but not enough to make coherent such phenomenally expansive and intricate perpetually expanding and evolving narratives.
k, just wanted to get that out there 🙂.
