Originally posted by King Kandy
Can you prove that the non-616 celestials are weaker then the 616 ones?
Just look at all the trouble the Earth X Celestials had to go through,
in their attempt to conquer other Realities,
they had to place a Celestial embryo in every bio-Planet in separate Realities,
in order to begin cracking verses.
One 616 Celestial surely should've been able to destroy an entire alternate Universe,
especially when we know they are far above Cube beings,
who you've seen with your own eyes performing Universal feats.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Question is The Stranger above Celestial level?
Originally posted by AstnerBeyonder is a half Comic Cube, Kubik is an entire Cosmic Cube
and a Celestial is infinitely more powerful than Kubik.
Then Beyonder and MM separated,
but both retained their completeness.
MM on the otherhand,
is far more powerful than Beyonder,
because of his Human origin, his potential is virtually limitless.
The LT called Post-Retcon MM one of the most powerful being in all Creation.
Indeed, when he fought Post-Retcon Beyonder,
Reality withIN Realities across all of Marvel's creation were warped.
Originally posted by Mr MasterOkay, I'm really confused.
ActuallyBeyonder was half a Cube,
he became whole after merging with MM.Then Beyonder and MM separated,
but both retained their completeness.MM on the otherhand,
is far more powerful than Beyonder,
because of his Human origin, his potential is virtually limitless.The LT called Post-Retcon MM one of the most powerful being in all Creation.
Indeed, when he fought Post-Retcon Beyonder,
Reality withIN Realities across all of Marvel's creation were warped.
Didn't the Beyonder eventually become the Maker, whom Thanos battled and imprisoned during his Samaritan mini? The same character was later rendered essentially dead by the assault of the Annihilation Wave on the Kyln. Is that not who we're talking about here?
Originally posted by Mr Marvel
I'm sorry, the Celestials don't seem any more powerful than any of the other Astral Gods IMO. They can't beat Galactus and IIRC Thor craked their armor w/ Mjolnir.Beyonder is originally depicted as >or = to Eternity.
However,"New" Beyonder would probably win this.
Which Celestial can't beat Galactus
Scathan the Approver(Earth-691)=LT is the most powerful Celestial ever. Scathan=LT>Eternity=Death>Galactus
Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial is the baddest Celestial(Earth-616). According to Thena, "he's the most dangerous thing on Earth" Tiamut speaking thru Makkari, "he's God"
Galactus vs billions of Celestials. Celestials>Galactus
Oh yes, Celestials>Beyonder
Originally posted by AcrosurgeDidn't the Beyonder eventually become the Maker, whom Thanos battled and imprisoned during his Samaritan mini? The same character was later rendered essentially dead by the assault of the Annihilation Wave on the Kyln. Is that not who we're talking about here?
Thanos admitted this:
Infact, the reaon why Thanos didn't kill the Maker was out of fear,
he did not want for the real Beyonder to escape that body.
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In order to keep the essence of the Beyonder in prisoned within the Maker:
"The Mind is Dead...Do NOT kill the body"
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"a Living Prison"
"The ONLY prison capable of containing the Beyonder... it's essence"
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"had we killed the Maker Form ... the prisoner goes free"
"We would of ENABLED the thing we'd sought to prevent"
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(the destruction of the Universe that is)
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Am I lying?
That the Maker could have imploded the Universe on a whim if it had not gone mad.
"She could decide to reverse the Crunch on a whim, set the Universe to contracting"
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"Beyonder ... Unlimited power"
Originally posted by guy222
Which Celestial can't beat GalactusScathan the Approver(Earth-691)=LT is the most powerful Celestial ever. Scathan=LT>Eternity=Death>Galactus
Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial is the baddest Celestial(Earth-616). According to Thena, "he's the most dangerous thing on Earth" Tiamut speaking thru Makkari, "he's God"
Galactus vs billions of Celestials. Celestials>Galactus
Oh yes, Celestials>Beyonder
Well if you take into account the 6 issue mini of Eternals. Tiamut took on the Rest of the Host of Celestials by himself. They could not destroy him, but he was overwhelmed and imprisoned. That is badass.
