Originally posted by quanchi112
Really? Why do you consider all Darkseid losses pis?
Well, several of his losses were avatars...it wasn't the real DS. DS is actually a skyfather...many magnitudes of power above Superman anyway...so, it really is PIS when Superman does actually beat him. Thanos is just below actual skyfather level. With that reason, I feel that Superman should be able to get an easier win over Thanos...than Darkseid.
I'm talking about a normal Thanos...no plot devices like the IG or the HOTI...just Thanos under his normal power....should be below Darkseid. That's why Supes should pull a win against him easier than he should with Darkseid.
Originally posted by Southern_RebelSuperman has beaten many a more powerful being than just Darkseid. And there are many skyfathers all varying in power level. So to just say hes a skyfather and he should beat him fails because well hes lost to Superman. Apokolips now rings a bell. He fought to the best of his ability but then again so did Superman.
Well, several of his losses were avatars...it wasn't the real DS. DS is actually a skyfather...many magnitudes of power above Superman anyway...so, it really is PIS when Superman does actually beat him. Thanos is just below actual skyfather level. With that reason, I feel that Superman should be able to get an easier win over Thanos...than Darkseid.I'm talking about a normal Thanos...no plot devices like the IG or the HOTI...just Thanos under his normal power....should be below Darkseid. That's why Supes should pull a win against him easier than he should with Darkseid.
When has Thanos lost to a top tier on panel during a fair fight?
I'm going to regret feeding the trolls here.
But what the hell.
if Superman has beaten all these powerful beings, gotten wins where almost no one else could, taken down skyfathers twice with a sun-amp, absorbed the power of an anti-sun, moved planets (even planets that didn't want to be moved....) ..............
what makes anyone think Thanos has a chance? doped
Supes can pull out the W in almost any situation. Even discounting CIS and comic-writing, Supes can actually beat Thanos in a fistfight. Full power, harder to call. But it's definitely possible for Supes to win, and his odds go way up if he gets a sun amp or dip.
People like to bash Superman alot on here. But the fact of the matter is, he really is that damn powerful most of the time. There's few if any top tiers that can beat him straight out.
And for the 500th time, I'm going to use Galan's quote: "When he has to be, Superman>>>ALL." This isn't fanwankery, it's a fact. He can go the distance where others fail.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestOk....now time to shoot this argument down.
I'm going to regret feeding the trolls here.But what the hell.
if Superman has beaten all these powerful beings, gotten wins where almost no one else could, taken down skyfathers twice with a sun-amp, absorbed the power of an anti-sun, moved planets (even planets that didn't want to be moved....) ..............
what makes anyone think Thanos has a chance? doped
Supes can pull out the W in almost any situation. Even discounting CIS and comic-writing, Supes can actually beat Thanos in a fistfight. Full power, harder to call. But it's definitely possible for Supes to win, and his odds go way up if he gets a sun amp or dip.
People like to bash Superman alot on here. But the fact of the matter is, he really is that damn powerful most of the time. There's few if any top tiers that can beat him straight out.
And for the 500th time, I'm going to use Galan's quote: "When he has to be, Superman>>>ALL." This isn't fanwankery, it's a fact. He can go the distance where others fail.
First off Thanos has durability that would make Darkseid drool. Darkseid cant take a punch or a beatdown like Thanos. Thats a fact too. What top tier has beaten Thanos straight up on panel during a fair fight?
Ok and you quote galan. You are acting as if this is a dc comicbook. It isnt. And even in dc I saw Superman get beaten by shadow demons and then get his ass beat by Kalibak and Mantis. Orion had to save him.
Did you also forget about Cyborg koing Superman in three hits.
Trust me Supes doesnt always wins but against glass jawed Ds he can and has.
Why bring up a sundip or sunamp when he broke Darkseid's face. Thanos would beat Supes even with this amp. But Darkseid has gotten whomped like this before and it wasnt even close.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm going to regret feeding the trolls here.But what the hell.
if Superman has beaten all these powerful beings, gotten wins where almost no one else could, taken down skyfathers twice with a sun-amp, absorbed the power of an anti-sun, moved planets (even planets that didn't want to be moved....) ..............
what makes anyone think Thanos has a chance? doped
Supes can pull out the W in almost any situation. Even discounting CIS and comic-writing, Supes can actually beat Thanos in a fistfight. Full power, harder to call. But it's definitely possible for Supes to win, and his odds go way up if he gets a sun amp or dip.
People like to bash Superman alot on here. But the fact of the matter is, he really is that damn powerful most of the time. There's few if any top tiers that can beat him straight out.
And for the 500th time, I'm going to use Galan's quote: "When he has to be, Superman>>>ALL." This isn't fanwankery, it's a fact. He can go the distance where others fail.
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Originally posted by quanchi112Do you have an answer to this question?
Superman has beaten many a more powerful being than just Darkseid. And there are many skyfathers all varying in power level. So to just say hes a skyfather and he should beat him fails because well hes lost to Superman. Apokolips now rings a bell. He fought to the best of his ability but then again so did Superman.When has Thanos lost to a top tier on panel during a fair fight?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok....now time to shoot this argument down.First off Thanos has durability that would make Darkseid drool. Darkseid cant take a punch or a beatdown like Thanos. Thats a fact too. What top tier has beaten Thanos straight up on panel during a fair fight?
Ok and you quote galan. You are acting as if this is a dc comicbook. It isnt. And even in dc I saw Superman get beaten by shadow demons and then get his ass beat by Kalibak and Mantis. Orion had to save him.
Did you also forget about Cyborg koing Superman in three hits.
Trust me Supes doesnt always wins but against glass jawed Ds he can and has.
Why bring up a sundip or sunamp when he broke Darkseid's face. Thanos would beat Supes even with this amp. But Darkseid has gotten whomped like this before and it wasnt even close.
DS doesn't have a glass jaw. Hell, he took a hit from Lobo without even flinching...all the punch did was hurt Lobo's hand. It just shows you how inconsistently DS is written. Superman is the only character that you have seen on panel pummel DS...without proof that it was an avatar. H/P Doomsday has been established to be an avatar...so, that one doesn't count. In a one on one fist fight...Supes is the only one to have done it.
A Batkick doesn't count....and I don't want to bring up Thanos' low showings to prove a point...so, let's just not go there.
The COIE didn't directly affect Apokolips...so, all of DS' feats before COIE are valid. He beat down pre-crisis Kryptonians and Daxamites effortlessly. Thanos has never taken a punch from a being as strong as a pre-crisis Superman...so, there is no way to know if his durability would be enough to withstand that.
Could Thanos turn the Wheels of Mageddon or crack the Imperiex Armor the way Superman did? Supes' has a shitload of high end showings that surpass much of what Thanos' has done..under his own normal powers.
Also why is losing to Kalibak and Mantis bad? Mantis has one-shotted Green Lantern and Dr.Fate, and another time absorbed all the energy from Hal Jordan's ring. In another incident Mantis actually was taking on Dr.Fate, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern at the same time and was winning
Kalibak got a recent upgrade
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Firestorm034-021.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Firestorm034-022.jpg
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you have an answer to this question?
Squirrel Girl...she's not abstract...and she's not skyfather...so, she's at least top tier...but, probably lower. Thanos lost to her...and it isn't confirmed that it was a Thanos clone that lost to her.
Drax killed Thanos...and he's around top tier. And before you say sucker punch...it still happened on panel. DS has never been killed by anyone as low as Drax on the power scale. Orion is destined to kill DS...but, even Orion is above Drax.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicYou know we can compare Superman > Darkseid to Drax > Thanos right? Not the genetic make up part but in all purposes Superman is Darkseids silver bullet to be honest i really don't like Darkseid or Thanos i respect both characters but their only losses are to lesser beings for some reason.
Using Drax isn't really a valid point. Drax's very genetic make up gives him an unfair advantage but everyone knows that. Nova beat Drax down but Thanos would eat Nova.... well at least I think he would.
Originally posted by Southern_Rebel
Could Thanos turn the Wheels of Mageddon
That feat is overrated. The wheels worked like cogs in a machine.
Where by using different size cogs/wheels it lowers the force needed to move the whole thing exponentially. No matter how big it was thats the way it worked to reduce the force needed to move the whole thing.
