Can Anyone Explain The Purpose For These "Camps"?

Iraq vet exposes how he was trained to round up Americans in martial law exercise, asked if he would kill his own friends and family.....

February 4th, 2008
Paul Watson

U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

We received an email from "Scott," a member of a pipefitters union that runs an apprenticeship program called "Helmets to Hard Hats," which, according to its website, "is a national program that connects National Guard, Reserve and transitioning active-duty military members with quality career training and employment opportunities within the construction industry."

Scott writes that his company hired a soldier who had recently returned from Iraq, who told him that U.S. troops were being quizzed on whether or not they would be prepared to shoot their own friends and family members during a national state of emergency in America. "I have become very close to this young man and have gained his respect and trust," writes Scott.

"I want you to know that he informed me about one particular training exercise his superiors made them perform. It was concerning the rounding up of American citizens that disobey any type of martial law or in other words any type of infringement on our freedoms."

"He was asked if he could shoot his friends or family members if ordered to do so. At the time he said he could," writes Scott.

Scott says that the soldier later "had time to clear his head" and realize the truth, recanting his vow to kill his own countrymen if ordered to do so.

The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.

http://www.sfbayview.com/News/Main/U.S._troops_asked_if_they_would_shoot_American_citizens.html

Documentary filmmaker Alex Jones brought to light similar training programs that were taking place across the country in the late ‘90s which revolved around U.S. Marines being trained to arrest American citizens and take them to internment camps.

During one such program in Oakland, Calif., dubbed "Operation Urban Warrior," Marines refused to answer whether they would target American citizens for gun confiscation if ordered to do so.

Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRIDNQNsUss - News Coverage Of The Training of Pastors to be enforcers

The experiences of U.S. troops in the worst areas of Iraq, where soldiers are ordered to go door to door and arrest all men of military age as well as confiscate their weapons, is a mere portend of what is being planned for America if these training programs ever come to fruition.

Daniel Hamburg is a former Democratic Congressman who was elected to the 1st Congressional District of California in 1992 and also subsequently ran for Governor of California, finishing in 3rd place.

Hamburg co-wrote a well-received recent article carried by the San Francisco Chronicle in which he outlined the program to incarcerate American citizens in internment camps, which have already been publicly built, during a time of declared national emergency.

Here is the article that former Congressman Daniel Hamburg wrote about these "prison" camps for American citizens.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

In the article, the Congressman states that:

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

But I have already stated before that I think what the government claims these camps are for and what they are really for is two different things. They aren't permanently for illegal aliens because our government is currently pushing for the SPPA. A "north-american partnership" AKA North American Union AKA Open borders policy.

And again, they are not just being built in the USA, they are being built all over the World.

Originally posted by jaden101
it's about illegal immigration...you realised this did you not

it doesn't have anything to do with what you initially started this thread about and it's no more of a conspiracy as building a new prison to hold criminals

The government is not building them for illegal aliens. Despite what they claim. The government is pushing for open borders. So why would they do the opposite with the camps?

Congressman Jim McDermot made a speech about the "internment camps" and the rounding up of American citizens during Martial Law in the United States:

http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml

In the speech, Congressman Jim McDermot said:

"From 1982 to 1984, Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defense preparations. Details of those plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the President and FEMA."

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
The government is not building them for illegal aliens. Despite what they claim. The government is pushing for open borders. So why would they do the opposite with the camps?

illegal immigrants dont pay taxes...they may want an open border policy and they may even want a north american union...but most of all they want people paying up and they only want people coming in who they consider to be beneficial to the US economy

so posting an paper on the expulsion of illegal immigrants is not the smoking gun you claim it to be

Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald, writes that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States:

http://www.arizona.indymedia.org/news/2002/08/3646

In the article, Ritt Goldstein writes:

America as you know it is changing dramatically. The democratic freedoms which long defined American life are under siege. Today's Bush administration is moving towards America's military pursuing law enforcement, internment camps are on the horizon, and a member of the US Civil Rights Commission previously broached Arab-American internment.

Hidden behind FEMA’s benevolent face as the body whose chief responsibility is disaster relief, another FEMA exists. It is a FEMA that few know has been “charged by the Bush Administration with leading the nation’s anti-terrorism effort”, and a FEMA whose history includes nightmarish episodes in this vein.

Here is another article by Mr. Goldstein that details plans for Martial Law in the United States which was published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html

Originally posted by jaden101
illegal immigrants dont pay taxes...they may want an open border policy and they may even want a north american union...but most of all they want people paying up and they only want people coming in who they consider to be beneficial to the US economy

so posting an paper on the expulsion of illegal immigrants is not the smoking gun you claim it to be

I'll let others decide that for themselves. As if you think imprisoning Mexican families in our country is what America stands for anyway. Even if that was the case. Which I don't believe it is. There is a much darker reason for these camps. Much darker indeed.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
I'll let others decide that for themselves. As if you think imprisoning Mexican families in our country is what America stands for anyway. Even if that was the case. Which I don't believe it is.

well i am one of those others am i not...or is it because i disagree with your post.

you dont beleive what is the case?...that America has the right to expell people who enter their country illegally and have no intention of paying taxes ever in their lives

i can assure you this happens everywhere in the world...

in the UK it's not viewed as some huge conspiracy that places such as
http://www.ncadc.org.uk/resources/addresses.html

they're hugely controvertial on the human rights debate but they're certainly not the subject of mass conspiracy debates like they are in the US

keep in mind that the level of illegal immigration to the UK is fae less than that to the US

i personally believe that the idiocy of the current US administration has led to people thinking that every decision they make is somehow working against the people of the US...it's quite a bizarre and uniquely US mentality when you think about it

Originally posted by jaden101

i personally believe that the idiocy of the current US administration has led to people thinking that every decision they make is somehow working against the people of the US...it's quite a bizarre and uniquely US mentality when you think about it

Maybe thats because almost every single decision they have made in the past 2 years has been working against the people of the US.

Here is an article from the Website of Political Research Associates which goes into detail about how FEMA and the Department of Defense issued a joint paper entitled, "The Civil/Military Alliance in Emergency Management" which specified many of the provisions of Reagan's policy on emergency mobilization preparedness:

http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/fema/Fema_3.html

The document indicates that FEMA had been given emergency powers to acquire resources from federal and state agencies (including National Guard personnel) and the private sector (banking, communications, transportation, etc.) "for use in civil disturbance operations."

The article states:

The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial rule.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Here is an article from the Website of Political Research Associates which goes into detail about how FEMA and the Department of Defense issued a joint paper entitled, "The Civil/Military Alliance in Emergency Management" which specified many of the provisions of Reagan's policy on emergency mobilization preparedness:

http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/fema/Fema_3.html

The document indicates that FEMA had been given emergency powers to acquire resources from federal and state agencies (including National Guard personnel) and the private sector (banking, communications, transportation, etc.) "for use in civil disturbance operations."

The article states:

The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial rule.

so basically the kind of mass mobilization demonstrations such as the anti war protests involving millions of people...and nothing was done then

Maybe thats because almost every single decision they have made in the past 2 years has been working against the people of the US.

only if your a complete conspiracy "enthusiast" and think there is some kind of hidden agenda behind all those policies

those camps are for uss

Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America

http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2008/210208Camps.htm

Here is a copy of an article written by Jonathan Turley of the Los Angeles Times, On August 14th, 2002 entitled Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft’s Hellish Vision:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/CfCAHV.pdf

In the article, Jonathan Turley writes:

Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft’s announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

Ashcroft’s plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.

The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and
reconsideration of Ashcroft’s fitness for this important office. Whereas Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, Ashcroft has become a clear and present threat to our liberties.

The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for Ashcroft’s small inner circle, which has been carefully watching to test cases to see whether this vision could become a reality.

Thecases of Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi will determine whether U.S. citizens can be held without charges and subject to the arbitrary and unchecked authority of the government.

Jonathan Turley's Blog:

http://jonathanturley.org/

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. So all of the rest of the money must be going somewhere.....

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=32625

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=35183

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58928

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58933

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58935

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58936

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58938

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58940

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58941

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58942

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58943

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58944

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58990

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

This Executive Order comes from none other than Lyndon B. Johnson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58988

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation.

Here is a look at the executive order from the United States Executive Order Archive:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=59356