Originally posted by Tim Rout
Agreed. But that pendulum swings both ways.
Does it? We can measure the speed a which the continent of South America and Africa are moving apart from each other. If you run the clock backward the two fit together like puzzle pieces. This is proof that the Earth is at lest 250 million years old. Therefore the bible is wrong.
Originally posted by Tim Rout
No Devil. I've decided to simply ignore you altogether.
Like actual scientific facts and logic.
Try as you might, but each and every one of the "scientists" you find on these biblical websites and parade in front of us have been extensively criticized by their peers. And it's never based on their biblical leanings, it's always because of their methods and their willingness to ignore the tenants of their own feilds of scince in favor of their attempts to prove their own biblical beliefs.
I can't imagine why all you creationists ignore me.
Originally posted by Tim Rout
While I would not wish to diminish the significance of the Bible in the formulation of my theology (where it holds central standing), my elemental belief in a God far predates my becoming a Bible believer. From my earliest years I believed in a deity. Call it intuition. Call it observation from nature. I can't be sure. But long before I turned 20 and became convinced of the Bible's truth, I still had an inner sense of something or someone "out there". Interestingly, the Bible actually describes this intrinsic sense of God in Romans 1:18-20, but I didn't know that at the time.
Originally posted by Tim RoutKind of hard to “listen” to something that has been written. All jokes aside I do read carefully. You have said nothing new or revolutionary then what many before you have said or posted.
And once again, since you seem altogether determined not to listen carefully to my arguments.....
Originally posted by Tim RoutHave I ever said that is was one fricken author, now who is not reading carefully? Here you have a collection of short stories written by people that have made a claim or said they were there and so on. Many years later another group of people (who were not there) decided to read though all the stories written and decided which ones were valid and which ones were not. So how can this group decided which are and are not valid? There is so much more that I can go on about this but I’m not a long winded poster and it is already obvious you will not listen so why bother. The point of it all the Bible is one source, a collection of documents written by a few people that you use to use to back up your claim of proof of God and your only source of this. Plain and simple this is a circular argument and the definition of it, it would be the same if I went to a Star War convention and asked them what was the best movie ever made. I wonder what they would say.
The Bible is not a single book. It is a collection of 66 individual books written by some forty different authors, in three different languages, on three different continents, over a period of about 1500 years. In the case of the New Testament, we see 27 individual documents written by no fewer than eight INDEPENDENT authors, at least six of whom were eyewitnesses to the life of Jesus. The other two (Mark and Luke) might be viewed as investigative reporters who carefully collected the testimonies of those who had seen Jesus for themselves; this is especially true of Luke, who says as much. If one treats the New Testament as a collection of at least 8 independent sources, then these sources CAN and SHOULD be used to cross-corroborate. The cross-corroboration of contemporaneous literature forms the basis of historical documentary study.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonDon't use common logic to prove something wrong, that is just unfair pitt_fist
Does it? We can measure the speed a which the continent of South America and Africa are moving apart from each other. If you run the clock backward the two fit together like puzzle pieces. This is proof that the Earth is at lest 250 million years old. Therefore the bible is wrong.
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Does it? We can measure the speed a which the continent of South America and Africa are moving apart from each other. If you run the clock backward the two fit together like puzzle pieces. This is proof that the Earth is at lest 250 million years old. Therefore the bible is wrong.
Shakyamunison It took God 6 days to finish this work( we call Earth) now it is not clear that those 6 day could in fact be those 250 million years. Remember that eternity is forever and forever has no time . while here on Earth time moves rapidly while in Heaven there is no time.So with that said it is safe to say the measurement of an simple minded human can in no way measure up to an Almighty God that could crush us all just with an look from his eyes( just an example of how easy he could take us all out). Before you dare try to us that logic remember that science is just an clavier way for Man-kind to try to explain what it doesn't know,understand and in the basic factor fear.( yet you may even say you don't fear God, but if you didn't you wouldn't fight so hard, you may even say the same about me but you'd be wrong because I know that I know that I know my God is real)
That should help you Da Pittman
Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
I know that I know that I know my God is real
so here is my contention
religious people need to constantly affirm their faith, because otherwise all the nonsense they believe and the rituals they waste their time with would create such strong cognitive dissonance that they wouldn't be able to interpret reality any longer.
Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Does it? We can measure the speed a which the continent of South America and Africa are moving apart from each other. If you run the clock backward the two fit together like puzzle pieces. This is proof that the Earth is at lest 250 million years old. Therefore the bible is wrong.Shakyamunison It took God 6 days to finish this work( we call Earth) now it is not clear that those 6 day could in fact be those 250 million years. Remember that eternity is forever and forever has no time . while here on Earth time moves rapidly while in Heaven there is no time.So with that said it is safe to say the measurement of an simple minded human can in no way measure up to an Almighty God that could crush us all just with an look from his eyes( just an example of how easy he could take us all out). Before you dare try to us that logic remember that science is just an clavier way for Man-kind to try to explain what it doesn't know,understand and in the basic factor fear.( yet you may even say you don't fear God, but if you didn't you wouldn't fight so hard, you may even say the same about me but you'd be wrong because I know that I know that I know my God is real)
That should help you Da Pittman
I don't have a problem if people take the bible metaphorically. You only fall into trouble when you take the bible literally.
And how do you know your god is real? Could it be because of faith first?
Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloIs that sarcasm or a mistake, I can't tell. Anyway, my post was a good post.
Probably because they contain so much not-retarded content.
Originally posted by Quark_666Unfortunately, you aren't.
I would feel fine calling XYZ an idiot if I was about 76 times as smart as Zeal.
Originally posted by Shalimar_foxSay what??? 😕
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Does it? We can measure the speed a which the continent of South America and Africa are moving apart from each other. If you run the clock backward the two fit together like puzzle pieces. This is proof that the Earth is at lest 250 million years old. Therefore the bible is wrong.Shakyamunison It took God 6 days to finish this work( we call Earth) now it is not clear that those 6 day could in fact be those 250 million years. Remember that eternity is forever and forever has no time . while here on Earth time moves rapidly while in Heaven there is no time.So with that said it is safe to say the measurement of an simple minded human can in no way measure up to an Almighty God that could crush us all just with an look from his eyes( just an example of how easy he could take us all out). Before you dare try to us that logic remember that science is just an clavier way for Man-kind to try to explain what it doesn't know,understand and in the basic factor fear.( yet you may even say you don't fear God, but if you didn't you wouldn't fight so hard, you may even say the same about me but you'd be wrong because I know that I know that I know my God is real)
That should help you Da Pittman
Originally posted by Shakyamunison👆
I don't have a problem if people take the bible metaphorically. You only fall into trouble when you take the bible literally.And how do you know your god is real? Could it be because of faith first?
Originally posted by inimalist
so here is my contentionreligious people need to constantly affirm their faith, because otherwise all the nonsense they believe and the rituals they waste their time with would create such strong cognitive dissonance that they wouldn't be able to interpret reality any longer.
You are right. BUT I'm not Religious. Religious is doing the same ritual with out any meaning. I on the other hand am Spitiral; I don't need to do these same thing over and over in vain.
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Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Does it? We can measure the speed a which the continent of South America and Africa are moving apart from each other. If you run the clock backward the two fit together like puzzle pieces. This is proof that the Earth is at lest 250 million years old. Therefore the bible is wrong.
Shakyamunison It took God 6 days to finish this work( we call Earth) now it is not clear that those 6 day could in fact be those 250 million years. Remember that eternity is forever and forever has no time . while here on Earth time moves rapidly while in Heaven there is no time.So with that said it is safe to say the measurement of an simple minded human can in no way measure up to an Almighty God that could crush us all just with an look from his eyes( just an example of how easy he could take us all out). Before you dare try to us that logic remember that science is just an clavier way for Man-kind to try to explain what it doesn't know,understand and in the basic factor fear.( yet you may even say you don't fear God, but if you didn't you wouldn't fight so hard, you may even say the same about me but you'd be wrong because I know that I know that I know my God is real)
That should help you Da Pittman
I don't have a problem if people take the bible metaphorically. You only fall into trouble when you take the bible literally.
And how do you know your god is real? Could it be because of faith first?
As for you. You are also partly right. Yes Faith has a lot to play in it BUT I have had tomany things happen to me to just write it off as some luck, To many times things could have happen an his hand saved me.
Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
I see you have the smilie that rolls it eyes. Have I offened you in some way
lol
no, i am just amusing myself. generic "spiritualism" is much more easily explained than fervent religious belief. I don't even think evoking cognitive dissonance is required.
poor humans and their not quite adequately developed brains.
LOL. I'm done with you after i respond to this. It's funny how people like you ask me how do know if he is real. You just prove yourselves over and over. No other type of religion has to deal with the type of mess mine has to. It's so funny how you all let those idle gods and their followers be at peace. Then I'm glad you do, my Lord told us you wouldn't understand us even in some cases even hate us. I must say thank you. You've just encouraged me to go preach the Gospel to 100 more people.
lol, ok, but preaching would fall under the category of things that are ritualistic wastes of time. If you look at what I have said, I have not asked why you believe or even criticized your faith. The fact that you try to play the martyr and say that your faith in particular is being persecuted is ridiculous, as my last point was on the nature of generic spiritualism and I have mentioned no specific faith.
I've let no-body at peace, and if you really need to know, my original point was not aimed at you, rather I was using a quote from your post to highlight a psychological phenomena common in many believers from all traditions.
Most people do not like being used as examples of psychological processes. My advice is, should you want to avoid it in the future, is to stop falling victim to the basic mechanisms of belief imbedded in your neurology.
My argument is that I understand your belief better than you do, or rather, I understand in the most general of ways why it is that your brain is more likely to view the world in terms of religion and what effects that will have on your explicit belief system better than you do. I don't hate you, in fact, if you want me to be overly patronizing, I pity the fact that these beliefs are probably based on physical information processing pathways in your head that would be next to impossible to change.
But, since you are done with me, I am going to go cry in the corner because another religious person feels self-important.
Originally posted by Devil King
Like actual scientific facts and logic.Try as you might, but each and every one of the "scientists" you find on these biblical websites and parade in front of us have been extensively criticized by their peers. And it's never based on their biblical leanings, it's always because of their methods and their willingness to ignore the tenants of their own feilds of scince in favor of their attempts to prove their own biblical beliefs.
I can't imagine why all you creationists ignore me.
Pray with me brother, pray with me and we'll pray to WHITE JESUS to cast all the heathens into the burning pits of hell!
ALL HAIL WHITE JESUS! Can I get an amen, brothers!?
Originally posted by lord xyz
Is that sarcasm or a mistake, I can't tell. Anyway, my post was a good post.
Try as you might, but each and every one of the "scientists" you find on these biblical websites and parade in front of us have been extensively criticized by their peers. And it's never based on their biblical leanings, it's always because of their methods and their willingness to ignore the tenants of their own feilds of scince in favor of their attempts to prove their own biblical beliefs.I can't imagine why all you creationists ignore me.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=45e0467e-defe-421b-a471-f28fbbf2db27
That was a wonderful source for my paper on creationism in education.