The John 3:16 & 4:16 flaw?

Started by inimalist41 pages
Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
You know I knewn someone would post that. As I have said before God is on an whole other level than mankind and I can't even explain that to you,just as I can explain how is God an Tri-being or better yet how is man also an tri-being(spirit, soul,body)so things we can't explain so it's not so much as contradicting myself if no one not even you can explaine it

lol

i like explanations for things that we can explain. Saying something isn't explainable is both a cop-out and in fact more damning than saying it isn't true.

"Let me explain it to you, it is unexplainable"

tehe

Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
The Trinity are one so if one is my Lord then all are. why do you all ask these questions and statments that you already know. You know that the Trinity is one!!!! If you didn't you would have not posted it!!! If we are gonna have an Adult conversation then lets have it other wise place your childish remarks aside

and not being able to explain how 3 are 1 in any real sense is a childish or adult argument?

You know what. that is true. It is true of everyone that believers in him because his on another level. it's like asking an four year old to do calculus

Originally posted by inimalist
and not being able to explain how 3 are 1 in any real sense is a childish or adult argument?
how can an fool try to explaine what the wind is without being able to see it. why don't you tell me that? Is it force?

Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
You know I knewn someone would post that. As I have said before God is on an whole other level than mankind and I can't even explain that to you,just as I can explain how is God an Tri-being or better yet how is man also an tri-being(spirit, soul,body)so things we can't explain so it's not so much as contradicting myself if no one not even you can explaine it
Then if the spirit has no gender and it is only the physical body that does then why is being gay a sin? If someone finds there “soul” mate and the spirit that inhabits the body of the other gender then why is that a sin? Does the spirit or soul have emotions, feeling, desires or even thoughts? Gender is not just based on the physical body but also the mind, how it thinks and feels. You have hermaphrodites that feel more female or male but their body is neither or both.
Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
how can an fool try to explaine what the wind is without being able to see it. why don't you tell me that? Is it force?
??? 😕

Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
how can an fool try to explaine what the wind is without being able to see it. why don't you tell me that? Is it force?

LOL

are you serious?

well, there are these things called atoms and they make these things called molecules. Now, there is also something called air pressure. And something called diffusion. The sun heats atoms in the air and they rise.

Anyone who understood grade 10 science now understands wind. good try.

Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
You know what. that is true. It is true of everyone that believers in him because his on another level. it's like asking an four year old to do calculus

lol, how arrogant of you

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Then if the spirit has no gender and it is only the physical body that does then why is being gay a sin? If someone finds there “soul” mate and the spirit that inhabits the body of the other gender then why is that a sin? Does the spirit or soul have emotions, feeling, desires or even thoughts? Gender is not just based on the physical body but also the mind, how it thinks and feels. You have hermaphrodites that feel more female or male but their body is neither or both.

Shhhhhh just between you and me, spirits or souls don't exist, therefore, they can be anything you want them to be. Mines blue with big horns. 😆 😎

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Shhhhhh just between you and me, spirits or souls don't exist, therefore, they can be anything you want them to be. Mines blue with big horns. 😆 😎
😱 Brother?!? 😛

Originally posted by Da Pittman
😱 Brother?!? 😛

Well, it's better then an emu. 😉 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, it's better then an emu. 😉 😆
You better put on your helmet again, Fred is getting ready to peck your eye out 😆

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
No, it wasn't. Your posts overflow with fail. You're the atheist JIA.

Because atheist scientists totally don't have an agenda:

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=45e0467e-defe-421b-a471-f28fbbf2db27

That was a wonderful source for my paper on creationism in education.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
😕

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo

We know! 🙄

We ignored you the first time. Do we have to ignore you again? 😆

Yes.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo

great article

it reminds me of when Christopher Hitchens talks about learning more about the inner circle of the Nazi command from Holocaust deniers than from mainstream historians, although he finds the conclusions false. Same deal here.

it'd be like refusing me a doctorate for being an anarchist. That said, even though the national academy is against him, I can't imagine most scientists would be provided his science remains good.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Yes.

Done.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Because atheist scientists totally don't have an agenda:

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=45e0467e-defe-421b-a471-f28fbbf2db27

That was a wonderful source for my paper on creationism in education.

That'a a wonderful try, but let me address why it fails to be relevant.

The article actually supports, at least on the part of several of the scientists mentioned, my earlier point that the creationist scientists Tim Rout parades are typically condemned because of their methods, not their faith. The article even mentions Pythagoras, whoh was a member of "a cult with their own strange beliefs" -in paraphrase, as I can't recall the specific wording.

It also is an article written, not by a scientist, but by a journalist who has a hard time reporting the story objectively; without adding his two cents. So, you can't blame scientists for the things said by the writer of the article. The animosity displayed in the article doesn't come from the scientists, but rather from teh journalist writing the piece.

As Scott claims, he's worried that Ross will use his doctorate to "miseducate" the pubic. But he also says that his methods are impeccible; yet also present a stark contrast to his apparent beliefs. So, apparenty Ross is a young earth creationist who believes the planet to be no more than 10,000 years old, but his adherence to the proper scientific method has resultd in his doctorate being awarded.

All that being said, Gentry, the scientist mentioned several posts back, was a Seventh-day Adventist who also recieved several degrees and then spent 30 years ignoring his education in order to further his creationist beliefs. I would imagine this is what Dr. Ross is addressing. (not Gentry specifically, but the discouraging trend witnessed and refuted by many other scientists)

As for the paradigm revolution mentioned, it's less a matter of truth with which you seem take exception and more the fact that the paradigms aren't tossed out wholesale in favor of going back to the less apparent and provable ones. Because evolutionary theory hasn't been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt doesn't mean that creationism hasn't been disproven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Now, surely a guy who names himself after a 6000 year old solar-system-wide astrological event couldn't want to go back to thinking the sun is the center of the solar system.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
No, it wasn't. Your posts overflow with fail. You're the atheist JIA.

Because atheist scientists totally don't have an agenda:

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=45e0467e-defe-421b-a471-f28fbbf2db27

That was a wonderful source for my paper on creationism in education.

I think more than likely Ross is applying a little biblical wisdom in his non-committal response. As Jesus put it, "be as shrewd as snakes, and as innocent as doves." [Matthew 10:16b/NIV] The man did the work, and clearly his work is up to par. He deserves his degree. Yet until the matter is at last settled is Ross free to use his new credentials and explain any seeming contradictions in his philosophy. Personally, I disagree with the concluding statement of the reporter. Just because Ross earned his doctorate from a secular university and wrote an acclaimed secular thesis, I would not for that reason dismiss or distrust his input.

Peeps taking the bible by the literal? I thought it was a guide book.

Originally posted by GCG
Peeps taking the bible by the literal? I thought it was a guide book.

The Bible claims to be a great deal more than a mere guide book. 2 Timothy 3:16 says:

"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It straightens us out and teaches us to do what is right. It is God's way of preparing us in every way, fully equipped for every good thing God wants us to do." [NLT]