Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Seconds? Mach 13 is would take seconds? Thrown by that speed (Which an Class 100 character is completely able to do) it would move 10.3 miles per second, if I am counting it right...I don't think Storm would be able to do anything. It would have hit her before she would be able to even react.
What you need to consider is that in hurricane winds those projectiles would be slowed by a few hundred miles. The battle would be a long distance battle giving storm a few seconds to react. What you also need t consider is that Storm is capable of great speeds herself. Storm needs to engulf Namor in winds with a thought. That is very likely to happen given that it is all under her mental command. Namor throwing projectiles in hurricane winds with reduced visibility is not certain to hit storm and far less likely in comparison.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you need to consider is that in hurricane winds those projectiles would be slowed by a few hundred miles. The battle would be a long distance battle giving storm a few seconds to react. What you also need t consider is that Storm is capable of great speeds herself. Storm needs to engulf Namor in winds with a thought. That is very likely to happen given that it is all under her mental command. Namor throwing projectiles in hurricane winds with reduced visibility is not certain to hit storm and far less likely in comparison.
Namor has radar sense of cave-fish.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Mach 13, 15, 6, 10, I doesn't matter, Storm wouldn't be able to dodge it or stop it in time.
If she can dodge Mjolnir at a close range when thrown by Thor, if she can dodge bullets and lasers fired by elite squads, then she can dodge bricks and whatever makeshift weapons Namor deems to throw at her.
You also need to consider aerodynamics DC. A brick or random piece of scenery because of its shape would travel dramatically slower than a ball shaped object. That is why you cant do that baseball player comparison. How fast do you think a baseball player could throw a brick? Times that by how much Namor is stronger than your average man and its a lot slower than is required to take out storm. Plus when you consider her winds which would slow projectiles down by a few hundred miles and reduced visibility, then its really not likely that he would hit her before she engulfs him in a hurricane.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If she can dodge Mjolnir at a close range when thrown by Thor, if she can dodge bullets and lasers fired by elite squads, then she can dodge bricks and whatever makeshift weapons Namor deems to throw at her.You also need to consider aerodynamics DC. A brick or random piece of scenery because of its shape would travel dramatically slower than a ball shaped object. That is why you cant do that baseball player comparison. How fast do you think a baseball player could throw a brick? Times that by how much Namor is stronger than your average man and its a lot slower than is required to take out storm. Plus when you consider her winds which would slow projectiles down by a few hundred miles and reduced visibility, then its really not likely that he would hit her before she engulfs him in a hurricane.
What if he would throw small rock? That would be the most likely object he would got in his hand, and they are pretty round. Or better, handful of small rocks? It would be like machine gun fire, only going faster then bullets.
*****Mach 13, 15, 6, 10, I doesn't matter, Storm wouldn't be able to dodge it or stop it in time.*****
^^yeah she will lol, she fights at long distance and seeing anyway as he won't be able to get an object when he is in the air this isn't even worth debating.
*****If baseball player can get the ball fly 100 miles per hour, it's not that much stretch for someone who is able to move oil tankers with ease.*****
^^so now he's going to be throwing baseballs at her? also a baseball is very aerodynamic so it naturally goes through the air easily, other objects don't, and also you do realize that some people can hit a baseball traveling at 100 mph so someone who has peak human reflexes and a lifetime of experience will be able to dodge anything thrown by namor at a distance.
*****Namor has radar sense of cave-fish.*****
yeah, so he knows her whereabouts, still very capable of missing.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What if he would throw small rock? That would be the most likely object he would got in his hand, and they are pretty round. Or better, handful of small rocks? It would be like machine gun fire, only going faster then bullets.
So Namors gonna take the time out to find an appropriately aerodynamic object to throw in mid-battle and Storms just gonna hover while he's there picking rocks. It just doesnt work like that. Soon as she can she engulf him and then thats that.
Originally posted by stormfront13
*****Mach 13, 15, 6, 10, I doesn't matter, Storm wouldn't be able to dodge it or stop it in time.*****^^yeah she will lol, she fights at long distance and seeing anyway as he won't be able to get an object when he is in the air this isn't even worth debating.
What if he, you know grabs an object before he goes in the air? You don't seem to realize. It takes two seconds for the tornado to appear, with Namor's speed and reflexes, it is easy to avoid it by moving to other place, ot just grabbing the handful of rocks and throw them at her. With her knocked out, the tornado will dissappear.
Originally posted by stormfront13
^^so now he's going to be throwing baseballs at her? also a baseball is very aerodynamic so it naturally goes through the air easily, other objects don't, and also you do realize that some people can hit a baseball traveling at 100 mph so someone who has peak human reflexes and a lifetime of experience will be able to dodge anything thrown by namor at a distance.
Please. You gotta understand that the object is being thrown with superhuman speed and strength, by an man who has had hundred years of experience throwing things. It's not flying with 100 mph. It's flying with hundreds of times of that speed. Storm is not going to dodge it.
Originally posted by stormfront13
yeah, so he knows her whereabouts, still very capable of missing.
Capable, but most likely not.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So Namors gonna take the time out to find an appropriately aerodynamic object to throw in mid-battle and Storms just gonna hover while he's there picking rocks. It just doesnt work like that. Soon as she can she engulf him and then thats that.
Extend hand on the ground. Take the closest thing that's is in it. Or rip parts of the ground away. With Namor's speed and strenght it's not going to take long. You know, rocks aren't THAT rare...they are actually pretty common thing to see. When I am outside, there is nearly always a rock under my foot when I am walking.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If baseball player can get the ball fly 100 miles per hour, it's not that much stretch for someone who is able to move oil tankers with ease.
Well by that logic whomever holds the world record for the bench press must be able to throw the ball harder than say, Randy Johnson...right?
Bet none of them can. No correlation between bench press strength and how fast one can throw an object.
Comic book physics != real world physics.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Extend hand on the ground. Take the closest thing that's is in it. Or rip parts of the ground away. With Namor's speed and strenght it's not going to take long. You know, rocks aren't THAT rare...they are actually pretty common thing to see. When I am outside, there is nearly always a rock under my foot when I am walking.
But i thought Namor was up in the air trying to knock storm out?
Either way in hurricane conditions with reduced visibility, Storm is more likely to engulf Namor before Namor can aim and actually hit Storm. It would still take seconds to reach her from a long distance and in those conditions giving her time to dodge or block so before he can pick up another he's engulfed and thats that. You're putting 100 faith on Namors aiming ability. Thats what your argument relies on. Mine is based on th fact that storms influence covers the entire battlefield, her energy projectiles her winds are all under her mental control and ca adapt to Namors movements with a thought, storms a faster flier and she likes to fight long distance. Anyone of a neutral mindset can see the odds are in her favour. Even if you believe Namor can win you cant argue with the fact that she has a better chance. For that reason i vote storm. End of.
Originally posted by Never
Well by that logic whomever holds the world record for the bench press must be able to throw the ball harder than say, Randy Johnson...right?Bet none of them can. No correlation between bench press strength and how fast one can throw an object.
Comic book physics != real world physics.
No, but Namor has also speed on his side and he has been throwing objects, small or big for his whole life, so...
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But i thought Namor was up in the air trying to knock storm out?Either way in hurricane conditions with reduced visibility, Storm is more likely to engulf Namor before Namor can aim and actually hit Storm. It would still take seconds to reach her from a long distance and in those conditions giving her time to dodge or block so before he can pick up another he's engulfed and thats that. You're putting 100 faith on Namors aiming ability. Thats what your argument relies on. Mine is based on th fact that storms influence covers the entire battlefield, her energy projectiles her winds are all under her mental control and ca adapt to Namors movements with a thought, storms a faster flier and she likes to fight long distance. Anyone of a neutral mindset can see the odds are in her favour. Even if you believe Namor can win you cant argue with the fact that she has a better chance. For that reason i vote storm. End of.
Storm has better chance. I give you that. But I am just giving you the ways Namor could win, and I still believe that it goes 5/10.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I would really put my money on someone like Spiderman, Quicksilver, or Northstar if he move his body fast (Don't know much about him other than he's gay and dead) throwing something blindly faster than a pitcher because of their powers or combination of powers in the case of Spidey.
Well thats a given. Its just that DC directly compares a baseball player and a baseball to Namor throwing rabdom bits of scenery and rock and just multiplies it by how much he thinks Namor is stronger than your average man. It just doesnt work like that. Theres too many factors such as the aerodynamics of the object, the fact that storm fights long distance, the visibility in hurricane conditions and so on.
Unlike how Dc thinks its not gonna reach her virtually instantaneously and therefore she could very well dodge or block with a pressure field. Also Storm isnt going to hover and let him take shots at her. With a thought he can be engulfed in a hurricane. If he's airborne at the time he's virtually helpless, and could be bombarded with sun lasers, weakened by her thinning the air and dramatically raising the ambient temperature or she could just slam him around until inconscious. If he's on the ground then he would have to cling on to it to prevent himself from being swept away. Either way he's not in the best position to put up an offensive.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Storm has better chance. I give you that. But I am just giving you the ways Namor could win, and I still believe that it goes 5/10.
If Storm has a better chance then how is it 5/10 damn i know you love namor but this is ridiculous. Id say at the very least it would be 6/10 for storm