Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Storm can't react or move faster then Namor who can move with superhuman speed. She can fly faster. But when the hurricane has appeared, lightning has struck and sun lasers appeared, Namor has already grabbed the rock from the ground because he can move at SUPERHUMAN speeds.
DC ive already talked with you about this whole reaction time thing, it just really doesnt factor into this battle that much. In this thread theyre presumably going to start off a fair distance away from each other. With a thought storm has generated a wind and she's up and away. Namor who flys via his wings must sends a brain signal to his muscles to fly they react and then he's off. The fact that Storms faster in the air counters for any advantage Namor has in reacting quicker to get in the air. In the air those reflexes are useless. He isnt fighting storm h2h. Its as simple as that. It would be a long range aerial battle with storm preventing Namor from reaching her. Soon as he's arirborne she would engulf him in a hurricane.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
How can she block something moving with unimaginable speeds, thrown by someone who can MOVE, bot FLY, faster then she can?
What are you trying to say here now DC that you now think that he can fly faster because some other poster questioned it. Now you've changed it up and leapt into saying he's faster? Dont do it DC that is very fanboy like
Alot of pages. After reading everything, both sides give good arguements, but its all about proof and not speculation on these boards.
From images shown, Namor does appear to have far better reflexes than those of Storm.
If GalacticStorm can show proof of Storm trapping someone in a Vortex as strong as Namor, then that arguement would be more efficient. Even shutting down someones heart. Namor with the sacred armor prevents that I believe. Im not sure if hes allowed to use it in the fight however.
Like was said. All fights are bloodlust, so they are allowed to use their most powerful attacks I assume? Even if it has only been done few times? Im not sure how many times Storm has shut down someones heart, but If she can do that, I dont see why Namor wouldnt be allowed to use the sacred armor. Hes used it in more than one occasion. If this truly is bloodlust.
Originally posted by O.D Geist
Alot of pages. After reading everything, both sides give good arguements, but its all about proof and not speculation on these boards.From images shown, Namor does appear to have far better reflexes than those of Storm.
If GalacticStorm can show proof of Storm trapping someone in a Vortex as strong as Namor, then that arguement would be more efficient. Even shutting down someones heart. Namor with the sacred armor prevents that I believe. Im not sure if hes allowed to use it in the fight however.
Like was said. All fights are bloodlust, so they are allowed to use their most powerful attacks I assume? Even if it has only been done few times? Im not sure how many times Storm has shut down someones heart, but If she can do that, I dont see why Namor wouldnt be allowed to use the sacred armor. Hes used it in more than one occasion. If this truly is bloodlust.
Physical strength doesnt make a difference when we're talking about being trapped in a vortex. It comes down to weight and flight capabilities. Ive already talked about this, read through the thread.
It doesnt matter if his sacred armour has been used a few times, it is not standard equipment for Namor.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Physical strength doesnt make a difference when we're talking about being trapped in a vortex. It comes down to weight and flight capabilities. Ive already talked about this, read through the thread.It doesnt matter if his sacred armour has been used a few times, it is not standard equipment for Namor.
Youare right. It does come down to flight capabilities. But strength also is a part of flight capabilities. All characters who fly have to at least be strong enough to be able to fly against pressurized forces. Whether it be strong winds or debris. Are you saying that Namors flight capabilities arent good enough to get himself out?
Is Storm shutting down someones heart a standard attack? Im sure Namor has used sacred armor way more times than Storm performing that feat. He actually wore it for a while during his own series. Just like the black suit.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
DC ive already talked with you about this whole reaction time thing, it just really doesnt factor into this battle that much. In this thread theyre presumably going to start off a fair distance away from each other. With a thought storm has generated a wind and she's up and away. Namor who flys via his wings must sends a brain signal to his muscles to fly they react and then he's off. The fact that Storms faster in the air counters for any advantage Namor has in reacting quicker to get in the air. In the air those reflexes are useless. He isnt fighting storm h2h. Its as simple as that. It would be a long range aerial battle with storm preventing Namor from reaching her. Soon as he's arirborne she would engulf him in a hurricane.
Reflexes are never useless in air. Who can fly better, normal guy with one year training with CF-18 Hornet, or guy with CF-18 Hornet who has used it for twenty years and has honed his reflexes to prefection? The answer is the latter one. Because of his reflexes, Namor can react to dangers faster, dodge things faster, and basically be a beast in flying. Only advantage Storm has in flying is speed. Namor has experience, skill and reaction time. Namor is better flyer. I serioudly think that Namor's better reaction time enables him to get airbone AT LEAST on the same time then Storm can. Storm needs to call the winds. Namor needs to tell his muscles to get him in air. Now, tell me if I am wrong, but doesn't better reflexes enable that message to get to his muscles faster?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The "bot" is typo, I changed it to "not".
Storm would fight at a long distance. Her long range powers would allow this. Soon as Namors airborne she would engulf him in winds while staying out of his reach. Her faster aerial speed would allow this. Storm as ive already said has dodged Mjolnir from close range when thrown by Thor , and she has dodged laser and bullet fire from elite squads many a time from the air. Fighting at a distance Namors projectiles would still take seconds to reach her, enough time for her to dodge or form a pressure field. Simple as. Also in a hurricane winds any projectiles he did throw would be slowed down anyway
Just for example even if Namor was faster they are of comparable speed (both being of the same speed rating) Storms winds would still give her the advantage in the air considerably slowing him down, or if its a vortex making flight temporarily impossible for him anyway.
Originally posted by stormfront13
well going by what you want then storm will shut down his heart, but namor getting accessries is unfair in the fight
I mentioned that because the idea of her doing that was brought up beforehand. And bloodlust was also mentioned, so why wouldnt she do it? Eventhough shes only done it very few times. Is that even true? Either way, if its IS bloodlust, and shes IS allowed to do that, then I dont see why Namor isnt allowed to use the sacred armor. Thats all I was trying to say.
But if were talking about regular abilities that are used more on a REGULAR basis, then I give Namor the edge off of what has been shown here in this thread.
it shouldn't be allowed because strm is winning by using her own abilities, namor bringing in adcessories that cancel out her abilites are unfair. storm defeating namor in bloodlust using her own powes is fair. and why do you give namor the edge? storm makes vortex's all the time. also while she creates a vortex around him he will be unable to breath which will overtime slow him down and take him out.
Originally posted by O.D Geist
Youare right. It does come down to flight capabilities. But strength also is a part of flight capabilities. All characters who fly have to at least be strong enough to be able to fly against pressurized forces. Whether it be strong winds or debris. Are you saying that Namors flight capabilities arent good enough to get himself out?Is Storm shutting down someones heart a standard attack? Im sure Namor has used sacred armor way more times than Storm performing that feat. He actually wore it for a while during his own series. Just like the black suit.
A characters physical strength isnt linked like that to their flight capabilities. Seriously OD go and have a read of the thread because its been discussed previously and i cant be bothered to retread old subjects.
Namor has already shown how well he deals with a vortex and his flight capabilities were useless. If you're a mutant flier then your body is made to withstand the forces connected with flight. It has nothing to do with physical strength which is useless in the air with nothing for it to be applied to. Storms winds have trapped the likes of Sentinels, Dark Phoenix and Magneto.
Storm manipulating energy fields is a part of her powers whether she uses such an attack is irrelevant. She is a hero is she not? Would you expect her to? Namors armour is an accessory, something additional that doesnt come comprise of the package that is Namor. It is not standard for Namor like Thors Mjolnir. The characters are expected to use their powers to the fullest extent all of the abilities they have. That includes that attack for Storm, that does not include armour for Namor.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Storm would fight at a long distance. Her long range powers would allow this. Soon as Namors airborne she would engulf him in winds while staying out of his reach. Her faster aerial speed would allow this. Storm as ive already said has dodged Mjolnir from close range when thrown by Thor , and she has dodged laser and bullet fire from elite squads many a time from the air. Fighting at a distance Namors projectiles would still take seconds to reach her, enough time for her to dodge or form a pressure field. Simple as. Also in a hurricane winds any projectiles he did throw would be slowed down anywayJust for example even if Namor was faster they are of comparable speed (both being of the same speed rating) Storms winds would still give her the advantage in the air considerably slowing him down, or if its a vortex making flight temporarily impossible for him anyway.
Seconds? Mach 13 is would take seconds? Thrown by that speed (Which an Class 100 character is completely able to do) it would move 10.3 miles per second, if I am counting it right...I don't think Storm would be able to do anything. It would have hit her before she would be able to even react.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Reflexes are never useless in air. Who can fly better, normal guy with one year training with CF-18 Hornet, or guy with CF-18 Hornet who has used it for twenty years and has honed his reflexes to prefection? The answer is the latter one. Because of his reflexes, Namor can react to dangers faster, dodge things faster, and basically be a beast in flying. Only advantage Storm has in flying is speed. Namor has experience, skill and reaction time. Namor is better flyer. I serioudly think that Namor's better reaction time enables him to get airbone AT LEAST on the same time then Storm can. Storm needs to call the winds. Namor needs to tell his muscles to get him in air. Now, tell me if I am wrong, but doesn't better reflexes enable that message to get to his muscles faster?
What you're not getting is that all of that is rendered useless in a long distance battle. The range and influence of her power would cover the battlefield and her powers are all under her mental control. Namor could not dodge from her winds. His reflexes wouldnt matter.
When the battle commences Namor could get into the air quicker but Storm is well trained and known for her reflexes as well. Ive already listed examples im not repeating myself. Storm while she could possibly get airborne a split second later unless theyre just a few feet away from each other it really wouldnt matter. Storms faster aerial speed would soon come into play and she would soon be safely out of his reach. Generating winds already to enable her to fly its a simple matter to modify the metorological patterns to manifest a hurricane, all the time keeping her distance. Namor could not dodge a whole weather pattern im afraid. He isnt Superman.
Originally posted by O.D Geist
Storms winds have trapped Sentinels, Dark Phoenix and Magneto? Can you prove that?Magneto and Dark Phoenix more so. Sentinels are jobbers. Id sure like to see proof of Magneto and Dark Phoenix being held by wind made by Strom.
Its common knowledge on these forums and has been shown on previous storm threads. My point isnt being disputed by any others therefore im under no obligation to provide anything especially just to a single member. Ask around if you wish for confirmation. As for me im going to carry on debating.