Master Chief vs Arbiter

Originally posted by DarkC
They wouldn't need armor peircing in the first place if it was only "lightly" armoured targets, it defies the whole concept of armor peircing altogether. Light armor is designed to stop hollowpoint or shredder bullets to cause maximum damage to less protected hostiles, while AP just blows a clean hole and penetrates through and causes more shock.

I suggest you read Fall of Reach again, they switched to shredder rounds whenever they needed something light to be destroyed fast.

So ur saying AP rounds for an Assault Rifle could penetrate more than just lightly armored targets? But yes, I get ur point, and they did use shredder rounds alot in Fall of Reach.

Originally posted by DarkC
Your memory is lacking. It took quite a few shots from a plasma pistol to penetrate Sam's suit, and it didn't even melt the armor, just carbonized it(burnt it black), burnt patches away, and cooked the flesh underneath.

It's physically impossible for metal to be "welded" to flesh, as with the high temperature the flesh would already have pretty much liquidized by the time the metal stopped cooling anyways. [/B]

You're right, I just read it over. It took several plasma bolts to really hurt him, but still that first one made the armor flare.

Originally posted by DarkC
No, it's because of enormous power consumption, not to mention too dangerous. There's no current source of power that is strong enough to heat ions up to the temperature that plasma is reportedly to be. Humans are still trying to perfect the concept of nuclear fusion, something that is already present in the human technology of the Halo novels. [/B]

Well yeah, that too, but its the dissipation as well, but I just read about plasma and it says it dissipates in an atmosphere no matter what, its just to what degree to u can prevent it from doing that I guess, but it always will. So it would be less powerful than in space for sure.

Originally posted by DarkC
You're basing your arguments upon your own opinion, not facts nor figures.

The Gauss works almost in exactly the same way as a MAC and even uses the same material for the shells it fires. The Gauss, while proportionally much smaller, fires a smaller but also extremey dense round which also travels at supersonic speeds. Like the MAC, it uses electromagnetic technology, whereas a Scorpion's main cannon uses typical fire technology, like the tanks we have already.
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Originally posted by DarkC
It depends on where the bullet hits. If it was head on it would take maybe a third of a clip, if it hit the black matte underneath, only a few rounds. [/B]

Originally posted by DarkC
It was actually a reference to what happened to Sam, he died because of a single hole in his suit. They really didn't want that to happen again. [/B]

Originally posted by braz
Well yeah, that too, but its the dissipation as well, but I just read about plasma and it says it dissipates in an atmosphere no matter what, its just to what degree to u can prevent it from doing that I guess, but it always will. So it would be less powerful than in space for sure.

It's encased in a magnetic bubble as to prevent superheated ions from escaping into its surroundings, which is why it doesn't heat up the area around it as much as it should be. Some air molecules do collide with the plasma ions and increases movement, which increases surrounding temperature, but the rest don't. The bubble is then controlled by use of magnetic fields and linear accelerators to the intended target. After impact the bubble breaks and the plasma ions are free to go wherever, which happens pretty fast

It's actually more effective in space because with the lack of atmospheric pressure and magnetic fields that are present in most planetoids, the ions are scattered far less quickly than they would be in an environment with those factors.

Originally posted by braz
Didnt know that, but still a Gauss cannon is only 25mm, thats on an extremely small scale from that of a MAC.

Originally posted by DarkC
In its natural state of matter, yes, plasma dissipates very quickly due to the high amount of atomic matter and movement, in an open container. However this isn't natural plasma we're discussion, this is Covenant plasma.

It's encased in a magnetic bubble as to prevent superheated ions from escaping into its surroundings, which is why it doesn't heat up the area around it as much as it should be. Some air molecules do collide with the plasma ions and increases movement, which increases surrounding temperature, but the rest don't. The bubble is then controlled by use of magnetic fields and linear accelerators to the intended target. After impact the bubble breaks and the plasma ions are free to go wherever, which happens pretty fast

It's actually more effective in space because with the lack of atmospheric pressure and magnetic fields that are present in most planetoids, the ions are scattered far less quickly than they would be in an environment with those factors.

Yeah, so would u agree plasma is on par with human weapons, maybe even slightly better, saving AP rounds? With AP ammo or high-explosive rounds(original pistol- badass 😎 ), I'd say they're about equal, except on shields. But wait, did they used shredder rounds when Sam, Kelly and John first used MJOLNIR or AP? Because it said those rounds just peppered off the Elites energy shield like nothing.

Originally posted by braz
Yeah, so would u agree plasma is on par with human weapons, maybe even slightly better, saving AP rounds?

Originally posted by braz
But wait, did they used shredder rounds when Sam, Kelly and John first used MJOLNIR or AP? Because it said those rounds just peppered off the Elites energy shield like nothing.

I'm pretty sure that they were firing single shots. Elite shields don't have as good overall coverage as MJOLNIR's system, it's concentrated over vital areas, so technically speaking, lucky rounds can and will make it through even if shields are up. It was shown most in Halo: First Strike.

Originally posted by DarkC
That's what I was originally arguing about in the first place, they're futuristic, but kill differently and has different effects.

The only instances where I remember them using shredder rounds is against the Grunt charge in the prologue and during the first Hunter encounter. The standard ammunition for an MA5B is armor peircing.

I'm pretty sure that they were firing single shots. Elite shields don't have as good overall coverage as MJOLNIR's system, it's concentrated over vital areas, so technically speaking, lucky rounds can and will make it through even if shields are up. It was shown most in Halo: First Strike.

I believe plasma is slightly better, it works better on energy shielding and a little better on the MJOLNIR. And on unarmored targets, plasma would be a little better imo because it cauterizes a bigger wound. Unless you use an AP shell, that will just tear straight through u like nothing. I'd say theyre equal there.

Originally posted by braz
I believe plasma is slightly better, it works better on energy shielding and a little better on the MJOLNIR. And on unarmored targets, plasma would be a little better imo because it cauterizes a bigger wound. Unless you use an AP shell, that will just tear straight through u like nothing. I'd say theyre equal there.

There's been no injuries related to plasma so far, in either the books or the games, that are anything but "burn"-related.

Originally posted by DarkC
I think you kind of contradicted yourself there on the cauterizing bit. What you suggested is that it pretty much seals off the wound caused by plasma immediately because of the extreme heat, which just leaves behind a mass of inert, charred flesh, yet there's still a wound?

There's been no injuries related to plasma so far, in either the books or the games, that are anything but "burn"-related.

Dude, by cauterizing I meant burning it and making the wound larger, I didnt mean sealing it off, dunno where u got that from. Because thats what cauterization from plasma/laser weapons usually does in sci-fi.

Originally posted by braz
Dude, by cauterizing I meant burning it and making the wound larger, I didnt mean sealing it off, dunno where u got that from. Because thats what cauterization from plasma/laser weapons usually does in sci-fi.

Look at a pretty popular pop culture series: Star Wars. When did anyone "bleed" noticably after being struck by a laser bolt? Remember in the first movie, after Maul gets sliced in half, the two halves of him that fall don't so much drip a single drop of blood after the initial slice.

Originally posted by DarkC
Factually, cauterization is the process of closing off a part of the body, such as a serious wound, by burning it closed, forming a carbonized sort of seal. I don't know what sci-fis you've been watching or where your definition of "cauterization" comes from, but the temperature of plasma is high enough to seal a flesh wound almost instantaneously.

Look at a pretty popular pop culture series: Star Wars. When did anyone "bleed" noticably after being struck by a laser bolt? Remember in the first movie, after Maul gets sliced in half, the two halves of him that fall don't so much drip a single drop of blood after the initial slice.

Oh so thats what it means. To seal it off, nvm, Im an idiot lol. I thought it like, because it was so hot, the wound would continue to spread, making it bleed more. But still plasma/lasers doesnt always not show blood, plasma can still spill alot of blood, like in HALO u see all the dead Marines with gallons of blood all around their corpses. And like in Predator/AVP movies, that plasma shoulder cannon was pretty gruesome. In Star Wars, I think they didnt show that kind of gore because they wanted to keep it PG. Otherwise, if they wanted it to be more along the lines of a horror sci-fi film like Predator, they wouldve done that and George Lucas wasnt into that.

Originally posted by braz
Oh so thats what it means. To seal it off, nvm, Im an idiot lol. I thought it like, because it was so hot, the wound would continue to spread, making it bleed more. But still plasma/lasers doesnt always not show blood, plasma can still spill alot of blood, like in HALO u see all the dead Marines with gallons of blood all around their corpses. And like in Predator/AVP movies, that plasma shoulder cannon was pretty gruesome. In Star Wars, I think they didnt show that kind of gore because they wanted to keep it PG. Otherwise, if they wanted it to be more along the lines of a horror sci-fi film like Predator, they wouldve done that and George Lucas wasnt into that.

Burns don't bleed until the skin is peirced and the burning is done (like a 3rd degree burn), which happens to be the most serious of all. Plasma would melt and fuse organs, but it shouldn't make victims bleed; even in the Halo novels all plasma gun-related injuries are burns.

They showed Anakin burning nearly to death, which was pretty goddamn disturbing. I personally think blood is nothing compared to that; but you did see vaporized blood and hear sizzling when Obi's lightsaber slashed Maul in half, which suggested complete cauterization.

Originally posted by DarkC
It isn't scientifically accurate then to have blood from plasma-related injuries around a marine. Needler, yes, even a plasma grenade would blow someone apart and spray blood but not an actual bolt. it's probably just a game mechanic.

Burns don't bleed until the skin is peirced and the burning is done (like a 3rd degree burn), which happens to be the most serious of all. Plasma would melt and fuse organs, but it shouldn't make victims bleed; even in the Halo novels all plasma gun-related injuries are burns.

They showed Anakin burning nearly to death, which was pretty goddamn disturbing. I personally think blood is nothing compared to that; but you did see vaporized blood and hear sizzling when Obi's lightsaber slashed Maul in half, which suggested complete cauterization.

Wait, so ur saying the plasma in the HALO universe doesnt pierce the skin?

But what about like in Predator, you've seen that right?

Originally posted by braz
Wait, so ur saying the plasma in the HALO universe doesnt pierce the skin?

But what about like in Predator, you've seen that right?

It's essentially a blob that melts through, of course it would burn through and penetrate the skin, but it's not a maintained heat. It sears long enough to burn severely and then cauterize almost instantaneously, then disappears.

And no, I've only seen Alien vs Predator, and their shoulder mounted plasma gun (whose plasma blob looks more realistic than in Halo) doesn't appear to make its victims bleed.

halo <> predator 😬
and yea, plasma bolts in halo doesnt piece the skin, just burns the living **** outta whoever gets hit..

Originally posted by DarkC
And no, I've only seen Alien vs Predator, and their shoulder mounted plasma gun (whose plasma blob looks more realistic than in Halo) doesn't appear to make its victims bleed.

In Predator 1 the Pred shoots Jesse Ventura with his bolt caster and it goes right through him and leaves like this two foot wide hole in him. There's blood everywhere.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
In Predator 1 the Pred shoots Jesse Ventura with his bolt caster and it goes right through him and leaves like this two foot wide hole in him. There's blood everywhere.

Yeah, not to mention, 3 other soldiers got pretty messed up by that thing. Mac got his head blown hollow with blood everywhere and Dillon had his arm shot clean off. Real gorey as well.

Originally posted by MadMel
halo <> predator 😬
and yea, plasma bolts in halo doesnt piece the skin, just burns the living **** outta whoever gets hit..

So how the hell is it even lethal if it doesnt penetrate ur skin?? 😕 😑 that just doesnt make sense.

Originally posted by DarkC
You misunderstand me, it's only bleeding after only the skin has been burnt away and the burning part has stopped. Which is a 3rd degree burn.

It's essentially a blob that melts through, of course it would burn through and penetrate the skin, but it's not a maintained heat. It sears long enough to burn severely and then cauterize almost instantaneously, then disappears.

And no, I've only seen Alien vs Predator, and their shoulder mounted plasma gun (whose plasma blob looks more realistic than in Halo) doesn't appear to make its victims bleed.

Gotcha, but watch AVP again, the plasma caster there blows that acid like everywhere when that last Predator uses it, even spills its entrails iirc.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
In Predator 1 the Pred shoots Jesse Ventura with his bolt caster and it goes right through him and leaves like this two foot wide hole in him. There's blood everywhere.

Originally posted by braz
So how the hell is it even lethal if it doesnt penetrate ur skin?? 😕 😑 that just doesnt make sense.

Think about what happens if your stomach got fused with a lung.

Master Chief 👆

Originally posted by DarkC
Then it isn't really scientifically accurate.

This is true. Was just saying.