Trion Juggernaut -Versus- Superman Prime · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Sirius77
I would assume that he grabbed her by her head and tossed her to the ground like he did on panel. But thats just me.
Quite obviously she was afraid of him. And whether or not myx was completely depowered or not, he still came back to the fifth dimension crying and telling his girl friend to close it so that Superman-prime would not get through. Obviously, he was a threat to myx and the entire fifth dimension going by that.
And there is a difference btween hurt and ko... and I doubt that juggernaut could ko Superman-prime if the guardians, a city of top-tiers (while he was weakened), and both corps, a moniter, and Monarch failed to do so...

The Mxy incident is not a good example, we know that Zatanna was depowering him (which imo shouldn't have happened), but Mxy didn't use any powers against SMP so we don't know if he could have hurt him. Mxy closing of the 5th dimension is not a sign that Mxy would be powerless to stop SMP. SMP being a threat with Zatanna does not mean him alone would have been a threat.

SMP never fought a Monarch, and the Monarchs were being beaten by people less powerful than him. A city full of top tiers that were inferior to him in strength...wow, good show. Most Gls are fodder. The Guardians only attack on SMP was one that powered him up. And Monarch would have beaten SMP as he was already losing his guardian upgrade, so...

Most those mentioned are below Trion's power level, and the ones that are, namely Monarch, would have beaten SMP.

Papa Smurph Restricted

This really shouldn't be a debate.

Trion Juggernaut pastes Superman Prime.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Prime throws him into another dimension the end.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by iceman24567
Prime throws him into another dimension the end.

Trion punches his way out and slowly walks back. 🙁

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
Trion punches his way out and slowly walks back. 🙁

Ok Prime still wins...

Mindset Senior Member

Does he iceman, does he?

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
Does he iceman, does he?

Battle field removal= a win so yes he wins.

Evangel94 Premium Member

Originally posted by iceman24567
Battle field removal= a win so yes he wins.

Juggernaut punches through your battlefield removal.

Seriously, whats the point of battlefield removal when both characters can walkthrough dimensional walls like paper?

Mindset Senior Member

Is it considered a win if your opponent can come back?

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by Evangel94
Juggernaut punches through your battlefield removal.

Lulz after the fight is over?bawling

Sirius77 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
The Mxy incident is not a good example, we know that Zatanna was depowering him (which imo shouldn't have happened), but Mxy didn't use any powers against SMP so we don't know if he could have hurt him.

I agree that it should not have happened. However, the fact is that it did.

Originally posted by Mindset
Mxy closing of the 5th dimension is not a sign that Mxy would be powerless to stop SMP. SMP being a threat with Zatanna does not mean him alone would have been a threat.

Youre completely right... Myx coming back from the the third dimension with an "S" burned into his forehead, all of his fingers broken, and bloody and beaten, DIRECTLY AFTER the fight with Superman-prime screaming and crying, saying

"Seal! Seal the dimension off! The f-fifth dimension! SEAL IT OFF! He's... there! He... IS the end!"

And considering he had both of them scared, I doubt that either of them were in a position to harm him.

Originally posted by Mindset
SMP never fought a Monarch, and the Monarchs were being beaten by people less powerful than him.

You mean a MONITER, right? There is only one monarch. And Superman-prime fought both Monarch and a moniter.

Superman-prime vs a Moniter:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/Primemonitor.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/Primemonitor2.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/Primemonitor3.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
A city full of top tiers that were inferior to him in strength...wow, good show.

He had spent a year under a junior red sun-eater, in a quantum containment field.

Then he was weakened by red star with a blast of red sun energy almost immediately.

Then the suit that supplied him with power was torn, melted, and burned off by the city of top-tiers that he took on.

Which included The Flash (whom he literally smoked while weakened, and presumeably oneshotted), Superman, Supergirl, Powergirl, Wonder-girl, Alan scott, Jo'nn, Ms Martian, Red star, Wonder woman, etc...

So, yes, it was a good showing, considering he was weakened beyond most characters level of function.

Originally posted by Mindset
Most Gls are fodder.

He killed 32 gls. More than Parallax. Thats not even counting sc.

Originally posted by Mindset
The Guardians only attack on SMP was one that powered him up.

His heat vision goes right through a Green Lantern and hits a Guardian
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/henshawblast.jpg

Takes on the Green Lantern Corps, The Sinestro Corps, and Earth's heroes at the same time. Three Guardians attack him, but that doesn't put him down. One Guardian releases all of his energy and self-destructs

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/everyoneone.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/everyoneone2.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/everyoneone3.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/everyoneone4.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
And Monarch would have beaten SMP as he was already losing his guardian upgrade, so...

And yet, he was still owning Monarch. I doubt he even needed the upgrade to beat Monarch. Without it, it would be difficult, but he could still pull a majority imo. We'll have to see.

Originally posted by Mindset
Most those mentioned are below Trion's power level, and the ones that are, namely Monarch, would have beaten SMP.

Superman-prime did beat Monarch. Unless monarch suvived, Superman-prime won. If he did survive, he was still unable to defeat Superman-prime even in a weakened state.

And Superman-prime will win this.

Oh, and by the way, what actually makes you think that trion will win? What has he done that puts him above Superman-prime?

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
Is it considered a win if your opponent can come back?

Yes...just like any other fight except crazy wrestling.

Newjak I am Beyond Power

Originally posted by Mindset
Is it considered a win if your opponent can come back?

Actually no.

That is a rule as long as the person can return to the battlefield under their own power the it doesn't count a s awin.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Sirius77
I agree that it should not have happened. However, the fact is that it did.
Youre completely right... Myx coming back from the the third dimension with an "S" burned into his forehead, all of his fingers broken, and bloody and beaten, DIRECTLY AFTER the fight with Superman-prime screaming and crying, saying
"Seal! Seal the dimension off! The f-fifth dimension! SEAL IT OFF! He's... there! He... IS the end!"
And considering he had both of them scared, I doubt that either of them were in a position to harm him.
You mean a MONITER, right? There is only one monarch. And Superman-prime fought both Monarch and a moniter.
Superman-prime vs a Moniter:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/Primemonitor.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/Primemonitor2.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/Primemonitor3.jpg
[b]Superman-prime vs Monarch
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p02.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p03.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p04.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p06.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p07.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p19-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p21.jpg
He had spent a year under a junior red sun-eater, in a quantum containment field.
Then he was weakened by red star with a blast of red sun energy almost immediately.
Then the suit that supplied him with power was torn, melted, and burned off by the city of top-tiers that he took on.
Which included The Flash (whom he literally smoked while weakened, and presumeably oneshotted), Superman, Supergirl, Powergirl, Wonder-girl, Alan scott, Jo'nn, Ms Martian, Red star, Wonder woman, etc...
So, yes, it was a good showing, considering he was weakened beyond most characters level of function.
He killed 32 gls. More than Parallax. Thats not even counting sc.
His heat vision goes right through a Green Lantern and hits a Guardian
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/henshawblast.jpg
Takes on the Green Lantern Corps, The Sinestro Corps, and Earth's heroes at the same time. Three Guardians attack him, but that doesn't put him down. One Guardian releases all of his energy and self-destructs
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/everyoneone.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/everyoneone2.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/everyoneone3.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/everyoneone4.jpg
And yet, he was still owning Monarch. I doubt he even needed the upgrade to beat Monarch. Without it, it would be difficult, but he could still pull a majority imo. We'll have to see.
Superman-prime did beat Monarch. Unless monarch suvived, Superman-prime won. If he did survive, he was still unable to defeat Superman-prime even in a weakened state.
And Superman-prime will win this.
Oh, and by the way, what actually makes you think that trion will win? What has he done that puts him above Superman-prime? [/B]

How does the scan with Mxy prove he would be powerless to stop SMP? SMP was able to torture him because Mxy did not have his powers, as I said, him sealing of the 5th dimension could just be fear of a similar incident occurring again.

Yes, I did mean Monitor. And that wasn't really a fight, but anyway like I mentioned, the Monitors were having trouble fighting people much less powerful than SMP.

He had been away from the Red sun for awhile when he returned from Earth, so while it is true he was not at full power, we don't know how weakened he actually was. None of those people are on Trion's level of power so it doesn't really matter.

Him killing more fodder Gls than Parallax isn't much of a feat, it's not like Parallax couldn't have killed more.

The Guardian's really did not put up much of an offensive against SMP, I had heard they were skyfather level, but I didn't really see it. 😕

What makes you think SMP could beat Monarch w/o the upgrade when the only reason he beat Monarch with it was by tearing his armor? Yes SMP beat Monarch, that does not mean Monarch wasn't stronger. Anyone could beat Monarch if they are strong enough to rip his armor and are given a chance to.

Actually I don't know if Trion would win or not. 🙂

iceman24567 Senior Member

When the hell are they going to show who Mxy was scared of? Is it Gog? Doubtful off topic my bad.

Mindset Senior Member

I'm still wondering how someone of Mxy's power can be depowered by Zatanna.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm still wondering how someone of Mxy's power can be depowered by Zatanna.

Another thing we aren't sure of. If thats the case whenever Mxy bothers Superman he can just tell Zantanna to say depower imp backwards right? It's bull if you ask me.

Evangel94 Premium Member

Originally posted by iceman24567
Lulz after the fight is over?bawling

It's not considered over if your opponent can come back.

janus77 Banana Genius

I asked ages ago for someone to present some substance to the ungodly hype that is Trion juggernaut. what has he done that makes him even remotely as serious a challenge as say Odin?

Sirius77 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
How does the scan with Mxy prove he would be powerless to stop SMP? SMP was able to torture him because Mxy did not have his powers, as I said, him sealing of the 5th dimension could just be fear of a similar incident occurring again.

Tell me who this person is.
Do you have more evidence than me?

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, I did mean Monitor. And that wasn't really a fight, but anyway like I mentioned, the Monitors were having trouble fighting people much less powerful than SMP.

Moniters are not pushovers by any means if thats what your implying.

Originally posted by Mindset
He had been away from the Red sun for awhile when he returned from Earth, so while it is true he was not at full power, we don't know how weakened he actually was. None of those people are on Trion's level of power so it doesn't really matter.

He was released from the quantum containment field, and went straight to earth. In a matter of fact, he beat everyone there.

That much we do know. He had not been exposed to a sun yet until he got to earth, nor was it even implied.

Originally posted by Mindset
Him killing more fodder Gls than Parallax isn't much of a feat, it's not like Parallax couldn't have killed more.

And its not like Superman-prime could not have killed more either.
As I said, I didnt even mention the number of gls he killed in sc, and I dont feel like counting...

Who did trion kill?

Originally posted by Mindset
The Guardian's really did not put up much of an offensive against SMP, I had heard they were skyfather level, but I didn't really see it. 😕

They shot him in unison with blasts that hurt the am and fried Henshaw. He was unscathed.

And if you dont know how powerful they are, then pick up a gl comic once in a while. I'm not going to post scans, just go to the respect thread, I'm sure theyre in there.

Originally posted by Mindset
What makes you think SMP could beat Monarch w/o the upgrade when the only reason he beat Monarch with it was by tearing his armor? Yes SMP beat Monarch, that does not mean Monarch wasn't stronger. Anyone could beat Monarch if they are strong enough to rip his armor and are given a chance to.

Superman-prime faced a group of skyfathers who were unable to do anything but bfr him, and that ncosted them a life. Monarch is powerful. Very powerful, but I don't think that he can compete with that in that fashion.

And anyone cannot beat monarch. If it was that simple, I think that fifty captaian atoms would have been able to accomplish it. 😐

Also, during the Superman-prime vs Monarch fight, Superman-prime was loosing his amp, while Monarch had the power of fifty captain atoms added to his own. So, yes I do think that Superman-prime could have beat Monarch without his amp, imo.

Originally posted by Mindset
Actually I don't know if Trion would win or not. 🙂

Wow...

Okay... 😕