Originally posted by iceman24567
Another thing we aren't sure of. If thats the case whenever Mxy bothers Superman he can just tell Zantanna to say depower imp backwards right? It's bull if you ask me.
It is bull. But honestly, I think that myx has aalways had a weakness to being expelled from dimensions, or things of that nature.
And all it takes is him saying his name backwards to send him back to the fifth dimension. Maybe theres a connection.
Originally posted by Sirius77
😱Someone said he could take Odin?!
dunno, it'll be interesting to see his feats.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Tell me who this person is.
Do you have more evidence than me?Moniters are not pushovers by any means if thats what your implying.
He was released from the quantum containment field, and went straight to earth. In a matter of fact, he beat everyone there.
That much we do know. He had not been exposed to a sun yet until he got to earth, nor was it even implied.
And its not like Superman-prime could not have killed more either.
As I said, I didnt even mention the number of gls he killed in sc, and I dont feel like counting...Who did trion kill?
They shot him in unison with blasts that hurt the am and fried Henshaw. He was unscathed.
And if you dont know how powerful they are, then pick up a gl comic once in a while. I'm not going to post scans, just go to the respect thread, I'm sure theyre in there.
Superman-prime faced a group of skyfathers who were unable to do anything but bfr him, and that ncosted them a life. Monarch is powerful. Very powerful, but I don't think that he can compete with that in that fashion.
And anyone cannot beat monarch. If it was that simple, I think that fifty captaian atoms would have been able to accomplish it. 😐
Also, during the Superman-prime vs Monarch fight, Superman-prime was loosing his amp, while Monarch had the power of fifty captain atoms added to his own. So, yes I do think that Superman-prime could have beat Monarch without his amp, imo.
Wow...
Okay... 😕
I honestly don't feel like replying to most of this so I'll keep it short.
Mxy was afraid of being captured again, that doesn't mean he was afraid of SMP. SMP needed Zatanna's help in keeping Mxy there or else she wouldn't have been there at all.
Guardians don't fight that much, so picking up any random GL comic wouldn't help, but thanks.
Now you're saying Monarch w/o his amp, but no one was talking about him so why bring him up, Monarch amp as far as we know was not a temporary powerup, which is what SMP had. I don't know if you didn't understand what I was saying or you just chose to ignore it...I said if given the opportunity anyone who is capable of ripping Monarch't suit could beat him, that is a fact.
Originally posted by Mindset
I honestly don't feel like replying to most of this so I'll keep it short.Mxy was afraid of being captured again, that doesn't mean he was afraid of SMP. SMP needed Zatanna's help in keeping Mxy there or else she wouldn't have been there at all.
Okay then. Who was he afraid of?
The way youre talking, you obviously know something that I dont.
Superman-prime was the guy who beat him half to death, burned an "S" into his forehead, and broke all of his fingers.
He was the only "he" myxs vicinity. It was never shown on panel that myx saw any other male except for Superman-prime. So, I really don't see how you can make such broad speculations with literally no evidence.
Originally posted by Mindset
Guardians don't fight that much, so picking up any random GL comic wouldn't help, but thanks.
Try tpbs.
Originally posted by Mindset
Now you're saying Monarch w/o his amp, but no one was talking about him so why bring him up,
Originally posted by Mindset
Most those mentioned are below Trion's power level, and the ones that are, namely Monarch, would have beaten SMP.
You did.
Originally posted by Mindset
Monarch amp as far as we know was not a temporary powerup, which is what SMP had.
And yet he still took everything that monarch had and won. While Monarch was amped. And Superman-prime was weakening.
Originally posted by Mindset
I don't know if you didn't understand what I was saying or you just chose to ignore it...I said if given the opportunity anyone who is capable of ripping Monarch't suit could beat him, that is a fact.
By "given the opportunity" you mean Monarch would just sit back and let them beat him?
Well he already did that... Three supermen were one-shotted as a result.
Three gls were able to breach his suit. One died, and the other was half dead. These included Hal Jordan (who died), Hal's son, and gl batman...
Fifty captain atoms tried. They got absorbed.
Originally posted by janus77
I don't know really, just irritated that nobody gives a reason other than "he punched through dimensions!" 😐. Hulk's done that, big deal, Odin could probably do that stuff in his sleep, if he were wont.dunno, it'll be interesting to see his feats.
Juggernaut in his Trion form was basically a Cytorrak level brick.
Which is why it's pretty funny to see a pro-Superman Prime argument.
Probably not as funny as watching SMP fail miserably at BFRing a 100 foot tall Juggernaut would be.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Juggernaut in his Trion form was basically a Cytorrak level brick.Which is why it's pretty funny to see a pro-Superman Prime argument.
I thought Trion wasn't supposed to be Cyttorak but someone else?
and also, what has Trion juggernaut done to merit comparisons with Cyttorak?
the dimension punching stuff just doesn't cut it, Hulk's done that and far more impressive stuff (the thunderclap that caused the Darkcrawler dimension to crumble)...
Originally posted by janus77
that's yet another one of my questions yet to be adequately answered, what level is Cyttorak on exactly?I thought Trion wasn't supposed to be Cyttorak but someone else?
and also, what has Trion juggernaut done to merit comparisons with Cyttorak?
the dimension punching stuff just doesn't cut it, Hulk's done that and far more impressive stuff (the thunderclap that caused the Darkcrawler dimension to crumble)...
I agree.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Okay then. Who was he afraid of?The way youre talking, you obviously know something that I dont.
Superman-prime was the guy who beat him half to death, burned an "S" into his forehead, and broke all of his fingers.
He was the only "he" myxs vicinity. It was never shown on panel that myx saw any other male except for Superman-prime. So, I really don't see how you can make such broad speculations with literally no evidence.
Try tpbs.
Originally posted by Mindset
Most those mentioned are below Trion's power level, and the ones that are, namely Monarch, would have beaten SMP.You did.
And yet he still took everything that monarch had and won. While Monarch was amped. And Superman-prime was weakening.
By "given the opportunity" you mean Monarch would just sit back and let them beat him?
Well he already did that... Three supermen were one-shotted as a result.
Three gls were able to breach his suit. One died, and the other was half dead. These included Hal Jordan (who died), Hal's son, and gl batman...
Fifty captain atoms tried. They got absorbed.
I don't know what you're not getting, Mxy was afraid of being captured again, yes by SMP, but because he could be depowered again by Zatanna or whomever, not that he was afraid of SMP himself. I'm not making any speculation because of the simple fact that I'm not speculating...
Actually no I didn't, when did I say anything about a non amped Monarch? I didn't say the amped one because there was no point, that was his current power level.
No, SMP did not take everything Monarch had, Monarch did not use his full power when taking on SMP, I don't know how you are going t claim he did. Monarch under estimated SMP the whole fight and yet he still had the upper hand. SMP was only able to be on Monarch's level because of his guardian upgrade, without it he would have lost. The fight was Monarchs to lose, and he did. If SMP had not cause Monarch to self destruct he would have lost, this way it was a double ko--anyone who can rip open Monarch's armor could have done the same.
Originally posted by janus77the dimension punching stuff just doesn't cut it, Hulk's done that and far more impressive stuff (the thunderclap that caused the Darkcrawler dimension to crumble)...
You have to put it in context of the story (which is why Prime punching the wall wasn't nearly as impressive as Juggs)/read the book instead of comparing it (dimension punching) to such and such feat. Otherwise Superman Prime isn't Hulk level either.
Originally posted by Mindset
I don't know what you're not getting, Mxy was afraid of being captured again, yes by SMP, but because he could be depowered again by Zatanna or whomever, not that he was afraid of SMP himself. I'm not making any speculation because of the simple fact that I'm not speculating...
Zatanna died, and he knew she died.
And if your not speculating, then what proves your assumption?
Originally posted by Mindset
Actually no I didn't, when did I say anything about a non amped Monarch? I didn't say the amped one because there was no point, that was his current power level.
But it was still an amp. It doesnt matter though.
Originally posted by Mindset
No, SMP did not take everything Monarch had, Monarch did not use his full power when taking on SMP, I don't know how you are going t claim he did.
Monarch thought that he had killed Superman-prime, but he didnt. He also blew up a universe, and Superman-prime is still alive. As was stated by the countdown writers. He will be in the final crisis.
Originally posted by Mindset
Monarch under estimated SMP the whole fight and yet he still had the upper hand.
He stopped undersetimating him when he blew up a city and Superman-prime s cape wasnt singed...
Originally posted by Mindset
SMP was only able to be on Monarch's level because of his guardian upgrade, without it he would have lost.
It was stated that he was loosing the upgrade, and monarch was still having trouble.
So no, he would not have lost. He was fighting as he was loosing it.
Originally posted by Mindset
The fight was Monarchs to lose, and he did. If SMP had not cause Monarch to self destruct he would have lost, this way it was a double ko--anyone who can rip open Monarch's armor could have done the same.
If Monarch had not blown up, Superman-prime would have just continued to tear pieces off of Monarch until there was nothing left. The explosion only speeded up Superman-primes victory.
And as I said, the gls did it. They lost.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Zatanna died, and he knew she died.And if your not speculating, then what proves your assumption?
But it was still an amp. It doesnt matter though.
Monarch thought that he had killed Superman-prime, but he didnt. He also blew up a universe, and Superman-prime is still alive. As was stated by the countdown writers. He will be in the final crisis.
He stopped undersetimating him when he blew up a city and Superman-prime s cape wasnt singed...
It was stated that he was loosing the upgrade, and monarch was still having trouble.
So no, he would not have lost. He was fighting as he was loosing it.
If Monarch had not blown up, Superman-prime would have just continued to tear pieces off of Monarch until there was nothing left. The explosion only speeded up Superman-primes victory.
And as I said, the gls did it. They lost.
There is nothing to speculate. There are two things we know, SMP needed Zatanna to depower Mxy. Mxy wanted the dimension closed off. Mxy didnt want to be kidnapped again, but SMP on his own did not have the power to capture him, I don't know what you're going on about, but it doesn't really matter.
After Monarch said SMP was losing his powers he was not still having trouble, after he said that he didn't even attack him again, where do you come up with this stuff?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p16.jpg
I don't know how you think SMP would have won the fight w/o ripping his suit when Monarch was controlling the entire fight, even when SMP had his upgrade and Monarch wasn't using his full strength...unless you think the extent of Monarch's strength is blowing up a city. I think you either need to re-read the fight or look past your like for SMP. SMP was losing his guardian upgrade and the fight until he ripped open Monarch's suit.
And you don't know how SMP survived the blast, hell, a Monitor easily survived the blast completely unscathed as well.
Originally posted by Mindset
There is nothing to speculate. There are two things we know, SMP needed Zatanna to depower Mxy. Mxy wanted the dimension closed off. Mxy didnt want to be kidnapped again, but SMP on his own did not have the power to capture him, I don't know what you're going on about, but it doesn't really matter.
Theres a third thing that we know. Anataz was afraid of Superman-prime. So either way, he is the deciding factor here.
Originally posted by Mindset
After Monarch said SMP was losing his powers he was not still having trouble, after he said that he didn't even attack him again, where do you come up with this stuff?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/Countdown13p16.jpg
He didnt attack because he didnt have time, lol.
That entire scan is just Monarch blasting Superman-prime, and nothing happening. The only destructive blow that affected either was done by Superman-prime. Re-read your scan.
Originally posted by Mindset
I don't know how you think SMP would have won the fight w/o ripping his suit when Monarch was controlling the entire fight, even when SMP had his upgrade and Monarch wasn't using his full strength...unless you think the extent of Monarch's strength is blowing up a city. I think you either need to re-read the fight or look past your like for SMP. SMP was losing his guardian upgrade and the fight until he ripped open Monarch's suit.
Do you think that Superman-prime was using his full strength? lol. He blew up a planet by flying through it, and destroyed the SOURCE WALL with heat vision.
And it you that needs to reread the comic. Superman-prime was unscathed the entire fight. Not even his clothes were torn. Hell, even his cape was still there. When he lost his guadian amp. He beat Monarch, so I dont see what your trying to argue. 😬
Originally posted by Mindset
And you don't know how SMP survived the blast, hell, a Monitor easily survived the blast completely unscathed as well.
Right. Because its so easy to survive a universe destroying blast... 😬
Originally posted by Sirius77
Theres a third thing that we know. Anataz was afraid of Superman-prime. So either way, he is the deciding factor here.He didnt attack because he didnt have time, lol.
That entire scan is just Monarch blasting Superman-prime, and nothing happening. The only destructive blow that affected either was done by Superman-prime. Re-read your scan.
Do you think that Superman-prime was using his full strength? lol. He blew up a planet by flying through it, and destroyed the SOURCE WALL with heat vision.
And it you that needs to reread the comic. Superman-prime was unscathed the entire fight. Not even his clothes were torn. Hell, even his cape was still there. When he lost his guadian amp. He beat Monarch, so I dont see what your trying to argue. 😬
Right. Because its so easy to survive a universe destroying blast... 😬
He didn't attack, you said he was still having trouble once it was said SMP was losing his upgrade, which was wrong, because how can you have trouble when you don't even attempt to attack. And he had time to attack, he was still just verbally mocking SMP and not taking it serious enough.
I agree that Monarch had no significant damage, but SMP did even less, but SMP was losing power while Monarch wasn't, common sense would tell you who had the advantage.
I don't see how flying through a planet is an attack SMP could use against Monarch, but w/e...The Source wall was already deteriorating when SMP shot it with his hv.
While he was losing his upgrade he made one last attack, which was ripping open Monarch's armor, so no, I don't think I need to re-read it...SMP was on the receiving end of most of the attacks, he was not phasing Monarch at all, although Monarch was not doing much damage to SMP, however, the difference is Monarch was greatly holding back and he was not losing any power while SMP was reverting back to his normal levels.
It should be pretty obvious who would have won if Monarch's aror was not ripped open.
And apparently it is easy to survive the universe explosion, the Monitors were having problems with Monarch's army yet they can survive universe destroying blasts w/o too much trouble...yea, that makes sense.
And like I said, do you know how SMP survives? No, you don't.
Originally posted by Mindset
He didn't attack, you said he was still having trouble once it was said SMP was losing his upgrade, which was wrong, because how can you have trouble when you don't even attempt to attack. And he had time to attack, he was still just verbally mocking SMP and not taking it serious enough.
Monarch blasted Superman-prime two times in that scan. If you didnt see that, then you need to work on reading comp...
I dont see how he wasnt attacking. And does it matter that Monarch was mocking Superman-prime? Myx did the same thing. Both got beaten.
Originally posted by Mindset
I agree that Monarch had no significant damage, but SMP did even less, but SMP was losing power while Monarch wasn't, common sense would tell you who had the advantage.
The only damage done was imflicted by Superman-prime. It was the final blow. That was the only damage caused to one of them. By a weakened Superman-prime.
Originally posted by Mindset
I don't see how flying through a planet is an attack SMP could use against Monarch, but w/e...The Source wall was already deteriorating when SMP shot it with his hv.
lol. Superman-prime can fly half across the universe without an amp in a few panels, but he cant speedblitz a planet while Monarch is on it?
Originally posted by Mindset
While he was losing his upgrade he made one last attack, which was ripping open Monarch's armor, so no, I don't think I need to re-read it...SMP was on the receiving end of most of the attacks, he was not phasing Monarch at all, although Monarch was not doing much damage to SMP, however, the difference is Monarch was greatly holding back and he was not losing any power while SMP was reverting back to his normal levels.
So by "not phasing Monarch" you mean tearing open his chest plate and causing the end of the universe?
Learn to read...
Originally posted by Mindset
It should be pretty obvious who would have won if Monarch's aror was not ripped open.
Exactly. Superman-prime.
Originally posted by Mindset
And apparently it is easy to survive the universe explosion, the Monitors were having problems with Monarch's army yet they can survive universe destroying blasts w/o too much trouble...yea, that makes sense.
One Moniter survived. One. And that was HIS universe.
How many characters do you know that have survived a universe explosion?
Originally posted by Mindset
And like I said, do you know how SMP survives? No, you don't.
Thats irrelevant. If you look at the feats of the two, you'll find that Superman-prime even without the amp is comparable to monarch in power. Physically above.
Either way. Enough of this. We're on a tangent here. I believe that Superman-prime wins over trion. What is your opinion? Have you formed one yet?
