JLA vs Silver Surfer/Thor/Thanos

Originally posted by Juntai
Flash gains mass as he gains speed, his durability spikes dramatically when doing this. When moving in lightspeeds, he is physically on par with any top range hero save in lifting power. He also has one of the best healing factors around. He also has great molecular control.

Comparing him to Batman is pretty laughable actually.

Since when did Flash durability increase because of speed?

And no, he does not have one of the best healing factors, he can he rapidly faster than any normal human, but compared to Wolverine, Hulk, or Deadpool it isn't much.

Originally posted by Mindset
Since when did Flash durability increase because of speed?

And no, he does not have one of the best healing factors, he can he rapidly faster than any normal human, but compared to Wolverine, Hulk, or Deadpool it isn't much.

his healing factor is actually very impressive... flash's durability does increase the faster he does, thats how he's able to hurt beings with super strength, and not get torn to pieces when he gets hit by them...

spite no?
Thanos should destroy half the JLA without sweat, Surfer could take the big hitters easy and Thor could mop up.

or Thanos could destroy the lot of them.

anyway Thanos, Surfer, Thor 10/10 imo.

How does the Flash gain mass? Doesn't the Speedforce protect him from relativistic effects?

Originally posted by Rorschach
He survived an explosion set off by a bomb before he could even properly tap into the Speed Force. Actually, he was sleeping at the time and after the explosion happened, his powers were subconsciously activated, so he ate some food, got his girlfriend out of there, and then passed out.

He can be killed by a bullet to the head, but then again, Lobo put a hook through his head, and he still didn't die. 😖hifty:

Wally has enhanced durability, not on the same level as Superman/Wonder Woman/etc. But he his durability doesn't equal that of a normal human being. Hell, he was taking faster than sound punches from Professor Zoom.

Thanks 4 d info

everything Flash can do, Surfer can do too and more so.
in DC you have the Speedforce to enable Flash to travel at >C speeds without taking on infinite mass, in Marvel you have the Power Cosmic and/or Hyperspace to do the same thing.

if Flash can "IMP" people then, naturally, so can The Surfer. all that an IMP entails is a loose application of "real world physics" at C-speeds.

Surfer could just spit at Superman, whilst travelling at 1000x C and ka-boom ... Superman's thrown to the other side of the universe 😄.

Surfer's faster than (or at the very least as fast as) Flash, and given his uber powers he'd tag and destroy Flash in 10000ths of a second, because both can move and operate at those speeds. it would be an epic chase but, for observers it would hardly last long enough to blink.

Surfer could also empower Thor to Surfer levels by boosting the Odinforce and adding Power Cosmic attributes (10000xC speed, uber durability, Cosmic Awareness etc), making Thor ridiculously powerful and dangerous.

Thanos ... well he could wipe out 2/3rds of the JLA with a blast, then just teleport and capture Superman, break his neck, then take out Wonderwoman ... it's just easy for him.

Originally posted by Juntai
Flash gains mass as he gains speed, his durability spikes dramatically when doing this. When moving in lightspeeds, he is physically on par with any top range hero save in lifting power. He also has one of the best healing factors around. He also has great molecular control.

Comparing him to Batman is pretty laughable actually.

Actually i was not talking about him when moving at FTL speeds. I was thinking of the initial point of the fight before he started gaining mass or moving fast at all as i doubt the surfer would be able to tamper wit his molecules when he is moving at dat kinda speed. Hence wheneva d flash
stops he'll be susceptible to molecular tampering. And yeah in no way did i try to compare flash and batmans powerlvls.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Did that guy say that Wally has normal durability ?

No wonder I have him on ignore.

Did dat guy evn comprehend what i wrote? I guess not( not surprised)
cuz if he did he woulda understood dat i was trying to describe his durability while in a stationary position ( not gaining mass) hence the reference to taking a bullet in the head.

No wonder HE'S going on ignore

Originally posted by Mindset
Since when did Flash durability increase because of speed?

And no, he does not have one of the best healing factors, he can he rapidly faster than any normal human, but compared to Wolverine, Hulk, or Deadpool it isn't much.

http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv2148022rg.jpg
Not only does that show him attaining the mass of a star, it also shows him going from 0 to lightspeed instantly.

His healing factor isn't good?
"Go ahead, strike, STRIKE, it won't do you any good - in this state any wound you give me heals INSTANTLY"
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel2.jpg

Originally posted by Mindship
Question: Wouldn't anyone capable of superspeed be able to deliver an IM punch or attack? I mean, what's to keep the Surfer, for example, from taking a piece of landscape or a meteor, splintering it into a billion, accelerating pieces, then IM shotgun-blasting everyone with it?

Originally posted by janus77
everything Flash can do, Surfer can do too and more so.
in DC you have the Speedforce to enable Flash to travel at >C speeds without taking on infinite mass, in Marvel you have the Power Cosmic and/or Hyperspace to do the same thing.

if Flash can "IMP" people then, naturally, so can The Surfer. all that an IMP entails is a loose application of "real world physics" at C-speeds.

Surfer could just spit at Superman, whilst travelling at 1000x C and ka-boom ... Superman's thrown to the other side of the universe 😄.

Originally posted by Mindship
The question remains, though: if the Speedforce enables "Flash to travel at >C speeds without taking on infinite mass," then how does he generate an IMP? Seems like DC is trying to have its cake and eat it, too. Either Flash is protected from relativistic effects or he isn't. Shame on you, DC.

its the speedforce basically allowing wally to do as he pleases, i think... ive seen an instance or two of him talking about gaining mass the faster he gets to lightspeed...

Originally posted by Raoul
its the speedforce basically allowing wally to do as he pleases, i think...

Eh, comics.

Originally posted by Mindship
So basically it's yet another plot device, along with magic, power cosmic, etc...

Eh, comics.

yeah, they're awesome... 😄

Originally posted by Raoul
i looked at the 3, and i still say the get their asses handed to them...

i nearly closed it as such...

seriously? 😆

Originally posted by Mindship
The question remains, though: if the Speedforce enables "Flash to travel at >C speeds without taking on infinite mass," then how does he generate an IMP? Seems like DC is trying to have its cake and eat it, too. Either Flash is protected from relativistic effects or he isn't. Shame on you, DC.

basically even the scans provided by juntai (unsurprisingly) don't correlate with what is claimed. and Flash doesn't produce "infinite mass", merely hyperbole to decorate a superman-like punch.

anyway, this thread seems like spite to me, I can't fathom how the JLA would survive a few hours, much less win a few battles.

The top Jl's are above Superman in my opinion. Hal beat The General in one panel it took Orion, Superman and Orions dog just to bfr him and i think somebody else Kyle has soloed Amazo they are close if not equal to The surfer so no way is Surfer second strongest he ties with Kyle. As i said sheer numbers plus speed beat the three. Lulz at Surfer being able to do whatever Wally can without any on panel or even off panel evidence. Nobody utilizes speed like Wally that's just a fact😐.

Originally posted by Juntai
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv2148022rg.jpg
Not only does that show him attaining the mass of a star, it also shows him going from 0 to lightspeed instantly.

His healing factor isn't good?
"Go ahead, strike, STRIKE, it won't do you any good - in this state any wound you give me heals INSTANTLY"
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel2.jpg

Man...a bloodlusted Wally is serious business. fear

Originally posted by Juntai
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv2148022rg.jpg
Not only does that show him attaining the mass of a star, it also shows him going from 0 to lightspeed instantly.

His healing factor isn't good?
"Go ahead, strike, STRIKE, it won't do you any good - in this state any wound you give me heals INSTANTLY"
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel2.jpg

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yikes i never seen him heal like that that's Deapool, Hulk and Wolverine level with out a doubt.

That's Walter West, not Wally West. crackers

Originally posted by Rorschach
That's Walter West, not Wally West. crackers