Originally posted by Juntai
His healing factor isn't good?
"Go ahead, strike, STRIKE, it won't do you any good - in this state any wound you give me heals INSTANTLY"
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Yeppers, he can heal broken bones in a second, and didn't he have a hook in his head from Lobo before?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Let's see, Supes takes down Thor and teams up with Wally and kyle to take down Sufer. Then the entire team proceeds to beat down on Thanos. Team 1 10/10
Kyle alone has a great shot of taking down SS, but adding Wally in SS will definitely fall. I agree about Supes taking Thor. That leaves the entire JLA to take on Thanos. It will be a long fight but I see Thanos being taken down eventually by this team.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Team 2 wins. Even if Supes could beat Thor and Wally & Kyle could beat Surfer, they aren't going to do it before Thanos takes out at least Batman, Aquaman, and maybe MM. So, it won't be the entire team vs Thanos.
You don't think that Orion, J'onn and the Flash could mount an effective distraction?
Originally posted by Soljer
You don't think that Orion, J'onn and the Flash could mount an effective distraction?
Oops. Forgot about Orion. According to the above scenario, the Flash will be busy helping Kyle with the SS.
I don't doubt that GL/Flash and Supes could beat SS and Thor, respectively. I just don't think they will beat them any faster than Thanos will take down at least half of the remaining team.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Oops. Forgot about Orion. According to the above scenario, the Flash will be busy helping Kyle with the SS.I don't doubt that GL/Flash and Supes could beat SS and Thor, respectively. I just don't think they will beat them any faster than Thanos will take down at least half of the remaining team.
I think you're overestimating the surfer a wee bit, then. And this comes from a Surfer fanatic.
Kyle alone would be plenty to keep the Surfer quite busy. Wonder Woman, Orion, or Superman alone would be plenty to keep Thor busy.
This entire team (minus the one person fighting the Surfer and the one fighting Thor) would be enough to tackle Thanos.
Alternatively, you get one or two people to distract Thanos for long enough for the rest of the team to gang-rape the Surfer and Thor, and then everyone dogpiles the Titan; either way you go, the odds look to be in the JLA's favor.
Current Thor> anyone on the jla side. Nothing have been shown yet to take him down with brute force. Hell the destroyer used its most powerful blast on thor and thor brushed it off and one shotted a god killer (destroyer). This thor is basically showing him self to be on the scale of warrior madness thor.
Surfer, with his upgrades can take a large chunk out of the jla. Surfer has recently fought and almost stalemated a being on galactus level and then later on defeated two beings on galactus level. During the entire annihiliation comic, surfer was basically one shotting top tier gods. Surfer took a hit that leveled a moon, there isnt to much that anyone out there could do to him that would bring him down and I dont think kyle would be that key.
Thanos, I really dont have to say much about this character. I am going to say this, he has gave galactus a run for him money, gave tyrant a run for his money, also gave odin a challenge and has been classified by marvel as a universal threat. I dont have to say any more about him.
My opinion, this would be a good fight but I see the jla loosing this one.
Originally posted by Bentley
Thanos has never done anything as of put in Galactus in danger by himself, I call bull on that.
I would post a scan for you but its not worth it. Look at thanos respect thread. Lets put it like this, thanos did more to galactus then what darkseid did in a crossover (even though its none cannon).
The only thing that Im going to say is go to the respect thread.
Originally posted by carver9
Current Thor> anyone on the jla side. Nothing have been shown yet to take him down with brute force. Hell the destroyer used its most powerful blast on thor and thor brushed it off and one shotted a god killer (destroyer). This thor is basically showing him self to be on the scale of warrior madness thor.
there is NOTHING to prove that the destroyer thor fought in the recent comic was the same one of old, he hasn't done anything classic thor wouldnt have been able to bar the machine gun thing...
Surfer, with his upgrades can take a large chunk out of the jla. Surfer has recently fought and almost stalemated a being on galactus level and then later on defeated two beings on galactus level. During the entire annihiliation comic, surfer was basically one shotting top tier gods. Surfer took a hit that leveled a moon, there isnt to much that anyone out there could do to him that would bring him down and I dont think kyle would be that key.
surfer didnt beat aegis and tenebrous using his own powers directly, so its a bit silly to claim he was kicking their asses...
surfer is awesome, but kyle is more than capable of giving him a fight...
Thanos, I really dont have to say much about this character. I am going to say this, he has gave galactus a run for him money, gave tyrant a run for his money, also gave odin a challenge and has been classified by marvel as a universal threat. I dont have to say any more about him.
so if superman, orion and any one of wonder woman, flash or martian manhunter went up against him, they'd have no chance, is that what you're saying?
Originally posted by Raoul
there is NOTHING to prove that the destroyer thor fought in the recent comic was the same one of old, he hasn't done anything classic thor wouldnt have been able to bar the machine gun thing...surfer didnt beat aegis and tenebrous using his own powers directly, so its a bit silly to claim he was kicking their asses...
surfer is awesome, but kyle is more than capable of giving him a fight...
so if superman, orion and any one of wonder woman, flash or martian manhunter went up against him, they'd have no chance, is that what you're saying?
We know that the destroyer was powered by a asgardian god during the time he fought it and we also know of the destroyers powers that have yet to change over history, so its durability and powers must remain the same unless proven otherwise in a comic.
By the way, thor has always (powerwise and versatility) been>>> anyone on the jla except maybe a gl. every power that you can name for any jl member I could double it with thor. Thor by far is one of the most versatile people in this battle.
I never thought that anyone on the jla could beat thor but people gave him a lost saying that he isnt fast enough to overcome a lot of members on the jla due to him doing so in the past.
I never said that surfer kicked their ass, surfer almost died during that fight but that dont change the fact that he beat them. If it wasnt for surfer, even though he SUMMONED the crunch (he did this himself, didnt need any help, so he basically beat them.) that doesnt mean that he didnt beat them. If you are saying that, you are basically saying that the people and the feats that superman has done while being close to the sun or getting a sundipped shouldnt be listed as something that he is capable of.
I didnt say that they wouldnt give thanos a fight but I do know this, thor, surfer, and thanos have a lot of tricks in there sleeves that could drop the jla (magic, soul take over, bfr, telepath, astrol form, planet destroying blast, entrapement, all three of them have matter manipulation abilities), the jla is limited whereas most of the people on the teams is nothing but brutes and that wont be one of the things that would decide the win against the people on the marvel side.
Originally posted by carver9
[B]We know that the destroyer was powered by a asgardian god during the time he fought it and we also know of the destroyers powers that have yet to change over history, so its durability and powers must remain the same unless proven otherwise in a comic.By the way, thor has always (powerwise and versatility) been>>> anyone on the jla except maybe a gl. every power that you can name for any jl member I could double it with thor. Thor by far is one of the most versatile people in this battle.
I never thought that anyone on the jla could beat thor but people gave him a lost saying that he isnt fast enough to overcome a lot of members on the jla due to him doing so in the past.
superman, orion, diana, j'onn, wally, any of those would have a definite chance against thor imo...
I never said that surfer kicked their ass, surfer almost died during that fight but that dont change the fact that he beat them. If it wasnt for surfer, even though he SUMMONED the crunch (he did this himself, didnt need any help, so he basically beat them.) that doesnt mean that he didnt beat them. If you are saying that, you are basically saying that the people and the feats that superman has done while being close to the sun or getting a sundipped shouldnt be listed as something that he is capable of.
the crunch didnt empower surfer, he redirected it iirc, it isnt the same thing...
I didnt say that they wouldnt give thanos a fight but I do know this, thor, surfer, and thanos have a lot of tricks in there sleeves that could drop the jla (magic, soul take over, bfr, telepath, astrol form, planet destroying blast, entrapement, all three of them have matter manipulation abilities), the jla is limited whereas most of the people on the teams is nothing but brutes and that wont be one of the things that would decide the win against the people on the marvel side.
i think you are seriously underestimating the jla side here...
superman or orion couldnt destroy a planet? j'onn isnt a top class telepath? thats just three...
Originally posted by Raoul
superman, orion, diana, j'onn, wally, any of those would have a definite chance against thor imo...the crunch didnt empower surfer, he redirected it iirc, it isnt the same thing...
i think you are seriously underestimating the jla side here...
superman or orion couldnt destroy a planet? j'onn isnt a top class telepath? thats just three...
Im not saying that they wont have a chance against thor, its superman and wonderwoman that we're talking about, they would give almost anyone a good fight but I just dont think that they'll beat thor and if they did it wont be speed that gave them the win (even though I still dont see them winning).
I know the crunch didnt empower surfer but you still cant take away from the fact that surfer defeated them. Before the crunch he was giving them a fight, before the fight when he was going one on one with aegis, that is impressive enough since she is stated on being on the same level as galactus and surfer was soloing her.
Im not underestimating the jla, Im thinking like this, you have 3 powerhouses that have shown the ability to do almost anything, then you have a team that is powerful also but have fallen to less powerful beings. Then the three that is going against this team is almost next to impossible to take out by brute force. Now the team is packed full of people that use nothing but brute force and has a lot of weakness.
Superman is weak to kryptonite (something that silver surfer can conjur), he is also weak to tremendous blows (despero koed him with one hit, titus koed him with one hit, mongul one shotted him, Hawkman one shotted him, kalibak recently hit him with a powerful blow koing him.) and the team possess great strength and also has the ability to increase there strength. Superman is weak to magic (which thor carries a diesel full of, along with thanos) and hes weak to red sunlight (which surfer or thor could conjur).
Wonderwoman, electricity isnt a fan of hers and blasts isnt a fan of hers either along with blunt force, the team packs a great deal of that.
The problem comes from martian manhunter. He is one of the most versatile on the team but I think that anyone of team two has a way around the intagibility.
Gl, not even worried about them due to too many people breaking through there barriers like paper and I dont think that theyre shields would protect them long enough to survive a blast from either of the marvel team.
Good fight but I see marvel team pulling a majority.
Originally posted by Raoul
Orion?
yes, I actually think that orion with the mother box could most definetely pull some wins against thor, maybe even a 50/50 or more, thats why I took the mother box out because orion is still a powerhouse without it. He almost beat superman and wonderwoman without the mother box and superman himself stated that an enraged orion would be unstoppable and orion wasnt even connected to the mother box when superman said that statement. Almost forgot, darksied also stated that superman and orion are equals when they were fighting against each other and in this fight orion was grounded.
Raoul, this is a good fight, if it wasnt for team two having so many tricks that they could depend on then I would most definetly give them the majority but team marvel versatility>>>>jla. Jla is packed with nothing but brutes whereas marvel have brute strength also, with a load of more things that they can do. Thor and silver surfer enemies alone are comparable to some of the enemies that it took the entire jla to take out and even comparable or more powerful then some of the enemies that have defeated the jla.
