The only attack that Vader seems to use in combat is TK throwing stuff. Windo is agile/powerful enough to get around that. Vader could also use force crush, but I think that would only work on a vastly weaker opponent. With Windo's TK being able to lift tonnes of rocks in the CW's it can be safely said that he will be able to block crush.
A combination of Vaapad, Shatterpoint, and superior ability/speed/agility would finsh Vader off saberwise.
Originally posted by Darth Rogers
Mace would likely win. Darth Vader is no push over, but Mace is as Yoda says in Shatterpoint one of the deadliest jedi ever. No one Darth Vader has defeated would be on par with him.
I'm not saying that Vader would win, but he has beaten some fighters who were close to Mace. He killed Dooku (said to have beaten Mace in duels before) as Anakin Skywalker, Cin Drallig as the newly christened Darth Vader, and the Dark Woman during the Jedi Purge. He also killed Roan Shryne, one of the "Old Guard".
Originally posted by Council#13
I'm not saying that Vader would win, but he has beaten some fighters who were close to Mace. He killed Dooku (said to have beaten Mace in duels before) as Anakin Skywalker, Cin Drallig as the newly christened Darth Vader, and the Dark Woman during the Jedi Purge. He also killed Roan Shryne, one of the "Old Guard".
Originally posted by darthsith19
To be fair, pretty much any Force User with any recognition of skill could beat Shryne. His saber skills were good but he sucked with the Force. Where does it say that he was on the "old guard"? that surprises me since he was so weak with the Force. I thought Council members had to be strong with the Force.
I think that's a pretty unfair judgment. True, he didn't do as well as other Jedi when it came to fighting droids, but that's because his connection to the Force was weakened due to his lack of faith from losing two padawans. I'm not sure where in Dark Lord: The Rise of Dark Vader it says that he's one of the Old Guard, but I remember that Qui-Gon was one of them. There isn't any real evidence that he was 'weak' with the Force prior to his decline. Also, remember that by the time he was killed, his faith in the Force was strong again.
Originally posted by Council#13
I think that's a pretty unfair judgment. True, he didn't do as well as other Jedi when it came to fighting droids, but that's because his connection to the Force was weakened due to his lack of faith from losing two padawans. I'm not sure where in Dark Lord: The Rise of Dark Vader it says that he's one of the Old Guard, but I remember that Qui-Gon was one of them. There isn't any real evidence that he was 'weak' with the Force prior to his decline. Also, remember that by the time he was killed, his faith in the Force was strong again.
Originally posted by darthsith19Take note that at that time vader has yet to receive full dark side training as stated by RODV.
There is also no evidence that he was stronger with the Force during his "decline". When in absence of proof, the negative wins. His faith in the Force may have been strong, but his powers weren't. Overall he was powerful yes, but anybody with a name for themselves would have beat him like Maul, Asajj, Sora, Quinlan, Cin ect, that's all I'm saying. I didn't mean to say that that Roan was avg. if that's what it sounded like. And Mace would trash Roan easily so.
The true extent to vaders force powers is honestly unknown but theres enough evidence to put vader as a very powerful sith lord.
Originally posted by Tangible God
I just read "hands-down" followed by "may not be easy." The whole system's breaking apart.But yessir, Mace would win in a Force-fight, assuming of course his defeat of Palpatine was legit. If he can't beat someone with 20% less power than Palps, then... I dunno.
Sabers, uuuhhhh, strength is on Vader's side, mobility's not. Hard to say really.
This argument is flawed.
Vader in his suit was 80 % of the OT Sidious who was more powerful than his RotS counterpart (logically).
Aside of that...
Please. Force fight? You might want to think about the fact that both participants a quite limited to TK applications of the force for offensive means - and both are able to block TK as well. So they are either going to play ping-pong with objects being pushed and deflected or they would attempt to force crush eachother - while blocking the attempts of their opponent to do so. No decission there.
Saber fight?
That will get ugly. But I think Mace is most likely going to win this. He's strong enough to defend against Vaders raw strength and with Vaapad and his Shatterpoint ability he has two advantages over the Dark Lord.
I'm assuming this is the OT Vader in his suit of course. RotS pre-suit Vader would be murdered by Mace Windu.
Originally posted by darthsith19
There is also no evidence that he was stronger with the Force during his "decline". When in absence of proof, the negative wins. His faith in the Force may have been strong, but his powers weren't. Overall he was powerful yes, but anybody with a name for themselves would have beat him like Maul, Asajj, Sora, Quinlan, Cin ect, that's all I'm saying. I didn't mean to say that that Roan was avg. if that's what it sounded like. And Mace would trash Roan easily so.
I'm pretty sure there's somewhere in the book that states his reactions weren't as fast due to his decline.
Oh, then I must've misunderstood you. But I don't see there being any proof that anyone with a name could beat him.
Mace might've been able to trash Roan, but Vader wasn't able to do it easily.