Who is the most POWERFUL- Slver surfer, Thor or Superman

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h1a8: Power basically is how fast can you do the work. If you accelerate a mass over a given distance, you can do it slow so it takes an hour, or you can get it done in a second. Apply more force to do it faster (mass = force X acceleration). You'll get the work done either way, but with more force you get it done faster. Think if you and another guy wanted to load a bunch of 40 lb dog food bags into the back of a pickup truck. You could take all day to do it, or you could do it fast if you were stronger (able to exert more force). Same on accelerating a car to 55 MPH. You could take 5 seconds to do it in a powerful car, or 15 seconds in a car with less horsepower. Time is the new variable when we talk about power. Time is of the essence! Seriously, it is in a lot of physics applications, and real life stuff too. You'll notice that

Physics is cool dude. I took it in high school and college too. I'm a Doctor of Chiropractic (never told anybody here before, although it doesn't make me any better in comic studies!)

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Originally posted by Soljer
Power: The amount of work performed per unit time.

To be honest with you Power is one of the only things in Physics that I don't truly understand (theoretically). I can do the Physics problems involving Power very easily though. Maybe with variable forces then power might make sense. But with constant forces I quite don't understand Power because I see that the change in Kinetic energy is equal to work done which in turn equals Force x Distance. But Force is equal to Mass x Acceleration. So this means that since Kinetic energy is directly proportional to acceleration then it has the same meaning as power (because work per unit time can be derived from acceleration and mass alone).

For example, if I accelerate an object of mass M from rest with constant force and for t seconds then the distance the object traveled can be calculated using force/mass=acceleration and then plugging the found acceleration into d=1/2at^2. So now I know Force and Distance and can find the work done. Also I know the time it took to do the work (which was t) and thus can calculate power. So power and work are really the same thing in disguise.

Last edited by h1a8 on Mar 14th, 2008 at 03:07 PM

h1a8: Not to get too far off topic, but re-reading your post at the end, it said that power and work were about the same thing. Understanding the difference between power and work, momentum vs. kindetic energy, voltage vs. amperage (electricity), etc. is very important in physics because the differences are very real (although hard to comprehend at times).

Ok, I'll vote for Superman because he has never been permanently taken down by anybody yet and he's faced just about everybody (although Thor has too I guess).

We can confirm that Thor > Surfer in overall power by Surfer's own admission (multiple times, actually) and their in-comic battles and encounters, all of which Thor has won.

With Kal it's tricky because he can likely out-brawl Thor, and won the (non-canon) meeting between them, but isn't as versatile, so it would likely become dependent on your definition of power.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
We can confirm that Thor > Surfer in overall power by Surfer's own admission (multiple times, actually) and their in-comic battles and encounters, all of which Thor has won.

With Kal it's tricky because he can likely out-brawl Thor, and won the (non-canon) meeting between them, but isn't as versatile, so it would likely become dependent on your definition of power.

Great analogy, so are we all in agreement that Thor is the most powerful?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
We can confirm that Thor > Surfer in overall power by Surfer's own admission (multiple times, actually) and their in-comic battles and encounters, all of which Thor has won.

With Kal it's tricky because he can likely out-brawl Thor, and won the (non-canon) meeting between them, but isn't as versatile, so it would likely become dependent on your definition of power.

Didn't the Surfer beat Thor in their first encounter?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
With Kal it's tricky because he can likely out-brawl Thor, and won the (non-canon) meeting between them
I believe the JLA/Avengers crossover (if that's what you're referring to) is canon.

Originally posted by llagrok
Didn't the Surfer beat Thor in their first encounter?
At the beginning of their first fight, Surfer knew immediately what he had to do and did it: he separated Thor from Mjolnir with unrelenting cosmic fire. Once Thor was down, Surfer paused in his attack to yada-yada-yada, which included his mentioning that Mjolnir's magic (not Thor, per se) was mightier than his own cosmic force. Because Surfer paused, Thor recovered, and it is the general consensus that Thor won this fight.

Originally posted by Mindship
I believe the JLA/Avengers crossover (if that's what you're referring to) is canon.

At the beginning of their first fight, Surfer knew immediately what he had to do and did it: he separated Thor from Mjolnir with unrelenting cosmic fire. Once Thor was down, Surfer paused in his attack to yada-yada-yada, which included his mentioning that Mjolnir's magic (not Thor, per se) was mightier than his own cosmic force. Because Surfer paused, Thor recovered, and it is the general consensus that Thor won this fight.

Maybe you're right. Though it would still be dependent on your definition of power, because Thor's much more versatile even though Kal is slightly better at regular brawling.

As for the latter, Thor and Mjolnir are a package deal. No one has any problem admitting that Surfer is more powerful than Thor without Mjolnir, but I think that it has to be included.

So my vote in this thread would go to Thor, but it's still highly dependent on what people value in their character, because you could make a case for any of them.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
We can confirm that Thor > Surfer in overall power by Surfer's own admission (multiple times, actually) and their in-comic battles and encounters, all of which Thor has won.

There are a couple of problems with your assessment.

1. Those "multiple times" Surfer said that Thor was more powerful both come from the same fight, and that was from the period when Surfer's Power Cosmic was weakened from his confinement on Earth. It's also somewhat contradicted by this scan from after Surfer's full powers were restored...

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/39/page19ta3.jpg

2. The only two canon fights between the two have extenuating circumstances behind them. In the first one, Surfer was depowered by Galactus and then powered up to an unknown degree by Loki(Surfer won that fight) and in the second was while Thor was in "Warrior Madness mode " during the whole Blood and Thunder, and most agree that arc is a bad portrayal of every character involved EXCEPT Thor.

The only fights the two of them have without questionable circumstances are in non canon books, and both of them have Surfer as the victor...

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8976/whatifv207013qa2.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2181/whatifv207014xt5.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3573/whatifv24122jw4.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9252/whatifv24123hr7.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2448/whatifv24124lf1.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6527/whatifv24126zj5.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8016/whatifv24128ha7.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
There are a couple of problems with your assessment.

1. Those "multiple times" Surfer said that Thor was more powerful both come from the same fight, and that was from the period when Surfer's Power Cosmic was weakened from his confinement on Earth. It's also somewhat contradicted by this scan from after Surfer's full powers were restored...

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/39/page19ta3.jpg

2. The only two canon fights between the two have extenuating circumstances behind them. In the first one, Surfer was depowered by Galactus and then powered up to an unknown degree by Loki(Surfer won that fight) and in the second was while Thor was in "Warrior Madness mode " during the whole Blood and Thunder, and most agree that arc is a bad portrayal of every character involved EXCEPT Thor.

The only fights the two of them have without questionable circumstances are in non canon books, and both of them have Surfer as the victor...

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8976/whatifv207013qa2.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2181/whatifv207014xt5.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3573/whatifv24122jw4.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9252/whatifv24123hr7.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2448/whatifv24124lf1.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6527/whatifv24126zj5.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8016/whatifv24128ha7.jpg

I was always under the impression that the Surfer wasn't downgraded at all in the power dept., but more to the effect, that Galactus locked his energy signature to the planet, hence not allowing him to leave... kinda like a super tractor beam of sorts.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I was always under the impression that the Surfer wasn't downgraded at all in the power dept., but more to the effect, that Galactus locked his energy signature to the planet, hence not allowing him to leave... kinda like a super tractor beam of sorts.

Nah Surfer was actually less powerful during that period...
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2191/silversurfer0233pn1.jpg

Originally posted by DigiMark007
As for the latter, Thor and Mjolnir are a package deal. No one has any problem admitting that Surfer is more powerful than Thor without Mjolnir, but I think that it has to be included.

So my vote in this thread would go to Thor

Absolutely Thor and Mjolnir are a package deal, but the package can be tampered with. Thor even knew that the Surfer was trying to separate him from Mjolnir, and he still couldn't prevent it.

This is why I also vote for Thor in terms of sheer, overall raw power, because he and the hammer are one. But needing the hammer for his full potential: that can be exploited in a fight.

Surfer > Thor. Just to throw another opinion in the pile. 🙂.

(Unless we're talking about Odinforce Thor, of course)

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Why didn't they go super saiyan?

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Why is Thor flying without his hammer?

Originally posted by Tron
Why is Thor flying without his hammer?

That's what i was thinking, i also liked Thor's punching speed 🙂

Originally posted by Tron
Why is Thor flying without his hammer?

And why does Thor use his hammer to make lightning?

Shit's weird.

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Boo-urns.

Originally posted by llagrok
And why does Thor use his hammer to make lightning?

Shit's weird.

That's sounds pretty normal to me, actually.

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