Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq vs. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan

This is Asajj and Sora from their peaks, ROTS Obi-Wan and TPM Qui-Gon. Asajj was able to hang with Kenobi and SKywalker just 5 months before ROTS, and Sora was Dooku's right-hand man and gave Mace a decent fight a few months after AOTC. IMHO, this would be close.

It would be very close, but I'm going to have to go with OB1 and QGJ. By the time of ROTS, OB1 mastered his form and Dooku couldn't penetrate his defenses. And QGJ was one of the finest swordsman and the one of the strongest with the living force which would help him in this. Also, if he was Dooku's apprentice, he would likely know most of what he taught Asajj.

Also, if he was Dooku's apprentice, he would likely know most of what he taught Asajj

i mean purely in saber skills, not force powers...

This comes down to Can ObiWan take out Sora Bulq whose Mastered Vapaad almost to the same degree as Mace??? but without the Shatterpoint ability.

Qui-Gon vs. Ventress would probably be a good fight. Because I dnt think Ventress is anywhere near as good as Maul.

This would be close, but i'm gonna have to say sora and asajj because Master Bulq has mastered vaapad.

Originally posted by skywalker833
This would be close, but i'm gonna have to say sora and asajj because Master Bulq has mastered vaapad.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Actually, in Mace's own words "Sora Bulq didn't master Vaapad. Vaapad mastered him." technically, then, Vaapad also mastered Depa Billaba. Mace was the only one who ever mastered Vaapad.

he meant that from the jedi perspective.. the fact that those 2 turned to the dark side through vapaad. it doesnt change the fact that Sora's mastery of Vapaad was very good.

before Mace found out that Sora turned to the dark side, he said Sora mastered Vapaad alsmost to the same level as Mace.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Actually, in Mace's own words "Sora Bulq didn't master Vaapad. Vaapad mastered him." technically, then, Vaapad also mastered Depa Billaba. Mace was the only one who ever mastered Vaapad.

Assaj can probably take out Qui-gon or at least hold him down long enouth for Bulq to beat Kenobi and help her. The Evil Duo win but mabye with some effort.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Assaj can probably take out Qui-gon or at least hold him down long enouth for Bulq to beat Kenobi and help her. The Evil Duo win but mabye with some effort.

I think you have it reversed Qui-gon is the weaker link and will go down before Obiwan.

Oh...... in that case the Jedi go down faster than a paraphaligic fish 😄 😄

remember Qui-Gon was one of the best swordman at the time of TPM. Even used to spar Mace to a stand off at that time (according to Mace's bio.) So I think Qui-Gon against Ventress should be a decent fight.

But Ventress was able to stalemate Kenobi every time they fought and he's arguably better than Qui-Gon by that point.

Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon take this.

Obi-Wan was a superior enemy to both Bulq and Asajj; though Bulq might pose a serious match to him, Obi-Wan's 'world-class' Soresu skills; which were acknowledged by Windu to be the absolute finest in the order, despite Soresu being a very commonly-practiced form; should be enough to defeat Bulq's unmastered Vaapad. Bulq was finally killed by Quinlan Vos, btw, a Jedi whom despite being a very exceptional master of Ataru was never credited (I believe) to having some of the best skills in the order in anything.

Qui-Gon vs. Asajj... hmm... well, I think there's no doubt that Maul, will, indeed, likely pwn her, but her skills should not be taken lightly. She was BEATEN by Obi-Wan several times, who actually did not want to kill her later on; Qui-Gon was probably the slight inferior of Obi-Wan at the point he beat Asajj, but, regardless, his skills are considered to be extremely high. He has a good chance of taking her out, and if he doesn't, Obi-Wan can beat Sora and along with Qui-Gon WTFpwn Ventress.

Originally posted by Sidi-Boy
.Obi-Wan was a superior enemy to both Bulq and Asajj; though Bulq might pose a serious match to him, Obi-Wan's 'world-class' Soresu skills; which were acknowledged by Windu to be the absolute finest in the order, despite Soresu being a very commonly-practiced form; should be enough to defeat Bulq's unmastered Vaapad.

"Sora Bulq was one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi order had ever known, perfecting the various forms of combat techniques, both classical and experimental. He even helped Mace Windu perfect the art of vaapad, the seventh form of lightsaber combat so intense and dangerous, that to practice it was to tread perilously close to the dark side."

The Databank begs to differ.

Bulq was finally killed by Quinlan Vos, btw, a Jedi whom despite being a very exceptional master of Ataru was never credited (I believe) to having some of the best skills in the order in anything.

If anything, all the duel did was prove that Vos wasn't even in Sora's league.

She was BEATEN by Obi-Wan several times, who actually did not want to kill her later on;

Qui-Gon was probably the slight inferior of Obi-Wan at the point he beat Asajj, but, regardless, his skills are considered to be extremely high. He has a good chance of taking her out, and if he doesn't, Obi-Wan can beat Sora and along with Qui-Gon WTFpwn Ventress.

Originally posted by Faunus

"Sora Bulq was one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi order had ever known, perfecting the various forms of combat techniques, both classical and experimental. He even helped Mace Windu perfect the art of vaapad, the seventh form of lightsaber combat so intense and dangerous, that to practice it was to tread perilously close to the dark side."

"Sora Bulq didn't master Vaapad. Vaapad mastered him." - Mace Windu, from SHatterpoint. He may have been good with Vaapad but he never mastered it, according to Mace.

This is very close. It's hard b/c ROTS Kenobi could beat any of the 3 one on one., but Assaj and Sora would be a serious team. Assaj Ventress is very underrated in her power. She is stronger than Sora and Qui-Gon. I would go Kenobi and Jinn though, just b/c Kenobi is so good.

Originally posted by darthsith19
"Sora Bulq didn't master Vaapad. Vaapad mastered him." - Mace Windu, from SHatterpoint. He may have been good with Vaapad but he never mastered it, according to Mace.

yea but what does that mesn "Vapaad Mastered him.." Mace only said this after Sora turned to the darkside.. before he knew Bulq turned Mace claimed Sora Bulq had Mastered Vaapad almost to the same level as himself. this was in Schism shortly after AOTC.

He, at the very least, mastered the technical aspects of the Form if not the mental, which alone is one hell of an achievement. That fact coupled with the excerpt that Faunus posted from the databank, and I think it'd be safe to say that he was easily one of the greatest swordsmen among the Jedi and Sith (/Dark Jedi) at the time.