Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq vs. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan

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Originally posted by Kadesh
He, at the very least, mastered the technical aspects of the Form if not the mental, which alone is one hell of an achievement. That fact coupled with the excerpt that Faunus posted from the databank, and I think it'd be safe to say that he was easily one of the greatest swordsmen among the Jedi and Sith (/Dark Jedi) at the time.

I agree. He was one of the best.

Originally posted by kiddo44
This is very close. It's hard b/c ROTS Kenobi could beat any of the 3 one on one., but Assaj and Sora would be a serious team. Assaj Ventress is very underrated in her power. She is stronger than Sora and Qui-Gon. I would go Kenobi and Jinn though, just b/c Kenobi is so good.

I almost completely agree; however, Obi-Wan should not be overestimated so badly, or rather Qui-Gon should nto be UNDERESTIMATED. Sora Bulq is a great saber fighter, it's true, but evidence points towards the fact that Kenobi was greater; remember, I believe Mace said that Bulq was almost as strong as he was, but later claimed Obi-Wan to be a better fighter than he (however, I think Mace > Obi-Wan...). Use your logic.

Also note that General Grievous could simultaneously defeat Asajj and Durge without a lot of effort, but was later pwned by Obi-Wan in combat.

Originally posted by Kadesh
He, at the very least, mastered the technical aspects of the Form if not the mental, which alone is one hell of an achievement. That fact coupled with the excerpt that Faunus posted from the databank, and I think it'd be safe to say that he was easily one of the greatest swordsmen among the Jedi and Sith (/Dark Jedi) at the time.

yes this makes sense. because theres the whole mental aspect to Vapaad as well. and since Bulq turned to the darkside its clear that that aspect of it mastered him.

but since he mastered the physical/technical side of it, for the purposes of a fight at least we can assume hes mastered it.

Yeah, in Clone wars volume one, Mace said "You did not master vaapad, Vaapad mastered you."

Originally posted by Sidi-Boy
Also note that General Grievous could simultaneously defeat Asajj and Durge without a lot of effort, but was later pwned by Obi-Wan in combat.
Dooku > Grievous > Asajj > Obi-Wan > Anakin. But Anakin > Dooku, and Anakin > Asajj, so Anakin > Grievous? And Mace > Palpatine, so Mace > Yoda, since Palpatine > Yoda?

You see my point. When comparing characters on the basis of their victories alone, one comes up with rather skewed results.

Edit: And when did Mace call Obi-Wan a better swordsman than himself?

Originally posted by Kadesh
He, at the very least, mastered the technical aspects of the Form if not the mental, which alone is one hell of an achievement. That fact coupled with the excerpt that Faunus posted from the databank, and I think it'd be safe to say that he was easily one of the greatest swordsmen among the Jedi and Sith (/Dark Jedi) at the time.

The term is "that the Jedi Order had ever known". He's one of the best ever, not just of his time.