Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Faster sure. But on the level of people like Surfer or Supes?
given the way he trashed ss and warlock in a 2on1 scenario . . . 😬 maybe people don't like that arc, but it is STILL viable evidence. he also doesn't feel pain and is 10x as strong.
half of them can be bfr'd.
completely depends on what feats you want to use. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
given the way he trashed ss and warlock in a 2on1 scenario . . . 😬 maybe people don't like that arc, but it is STILL viable evidence. he also doesn't feel pain and is 10x as strong.
But on the other hand Warlock and Surfer probably weren't similarly CIS free at the time.
Originally posted by leonidas
subtle . . .
It's a thing I do.
Originally posted by leonidasAh, WM... still though, Surfer was seriously ass jobbing... or WM is multiple x's faster than Surfer...
given the way he trashed ss and warlock in a 2on1 scenario . . . 😬 maybe people don't like that arc, but it is STILL viable evidence. he also doesn't feel pain and is 10x as strong.half of them can be bfr'd.
completely depends on what feats you want to use. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
given the way he trashed ss and warlock in a 2on1 scenario . . . 😬 maybe people don't like that arc, but it is STILL viable evidence. he also doesn't feel pain and is 10x as strong.half of them can be bfr'd.
completely depends on what feats you want to use. 😬
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But on the other hand Warlock and Surfer probably weren't similarly CIS free at the time.
which is why i said depends on which feats. anytime heroes square off like that someone can cry cis . . . personally, i've always been in the corner of thor>ss, so . . .
there are also multiple cases of thor 'moving like lightning'. the high feats of his hammer could be used to match or counter whatever speed advantage someone can bring up for ss. i've debated thor v ss ad nauseum in the past so won't get into it again. just MO.
It's a thing I do.
hey, someone's gotta . . .
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but you have to remember that the Blood and Thunder arc contradicts Thor's previous showings of power while in Warrior Madness. He was nowhere near that effective against Adam Warlock as Him or against Maestro, so it's really more of a high end showing than the average...
effective enough that warlock was pretty much scared to death of thor . . .
and depends on what level of power you felt maestro was at. beyond that, thor never really fully attained 'complete madness' against the maestro. besides, he was just brawling. thor clearly doesn't need WM to wipe out ANY hulk. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
effective enough that warlock was pretty much scared to death of thor . . .and depends on what level of power you felt maestro was at. beyond that, thor never really fully attained 'complete madness' against the maestro. besides, he was just brawling. thor clearly doesn't need WM to wipe out ANY hulk. 😬
Brawling was pretty much all he did against Surfer and the rest too, and he seemed a fair share more impressive doing it than he did against Maestro...
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't remember Warlock being scared, but then again it's been a while since I read the issue so I could be mistaken. But I do remember that the only reason Thor was even able to take him on was that Him lowered his force field and tried to go h2h with him.Brawling was pretty much all he did against Surfer and the rest too, and he seemed a fair share more impressive doing it than he did against Maestro...
yeah, reread the arc -- warlock was very much afraid of him. recalled the last time they fought and how thor almost killed, er, 'him'.
and regardless of how he looked comparatively, the arc is viable. in fact, since it FOCUSED on him being 'mad' i've always thought it should be the standard view of him in warrior madness. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, reread the arc -- warlock was very much afraid of him. recalled the last time they fought and how thor almost killed, er, 'him'.
Originally posted by leonidas
and regardless of how he looked comparatively, the arc is viable. in fact, since it FOCUSED on him being 'mad' i've always thought it should be the standard view of him in warrior madness. 😬
Originally posted by darthgoober
After "Him" let down his force field you mean.
can't recall the battle offhand. got it somewhere . . .
and it could be argued thor at his fullest would simply absorb the shield's energy. or i could say he has shown the power to bust through a celestial's shield but he couldn't break THTA force field . . .? 😬
there will ALWAYS be a 'but'.
Of course the arc is viable, but the arc with Maestro is JUST as viable. So average the two together and you have a decent idea of just how effective Thor is when he's in Warrior Madness mode.
😂
nah, don't work that way. you don't take 2 appearances and 'average' them. it's not math. maestro was also said to have killed every hero in his time period -- INCLUDING (i believe) the ss . . . then, too, it was hulk's book. i'll take an arc in thor's book, that focused on him being mad, over a single issue in hulk's book where thor wasn't even yet in full madness. not that hulk actually managed to hurt him even in that partially mad state.
Originally posted by leonidas
can't recall the battle offhand. got it somewhere . . .and it could be argued thor at his fullest would simply absorb the shield's energy. or i could say he has shown the power to bust through a celestial's shield but he couldn't break THTA force field . . .? 😬
there will ALWAYS be a 'but'.
And for every showing you have of Thor busting something on a Celestial, there are probably 10 were he couldn't penetrate the Force Field of someone like Radioactive Man or Magneto. For that matter, I seem to remember Surfer successfully blocking with a Force Field during the Blood and Thunder Arc as well.
Originally posted by leonidas
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nah, don't work that way. you don't take 2 appearances and 'average' them. it's not math. maestro was also said to have killed every hero in his time period -- INCLUDING (i believe) the ss . . . then, too, it was hulk's book. i'll take an arc in thor's book, that focused on him being mad, over a single issue in hulk's book where thor wasn't even yet in full madness. not that hulk actually managed to hurt him even in that partially mad state.
Originally posted by darthgoober
But it could ALSO be argued that Thor doesn't do things like absorb force fields because he doesn't fight smart in Warrior Madness mode. I mean can you think of an instance of him being in WM where he was creative with his powers?
hence the reason i said there will always be a 'but'. and thor's only been in warrior madness a couple times so it's hard to tell WHERE exactly he should be at and just how effectively he can use his powers. however, it has been shown on panel that he is 10x is strong and can't feel pain. i've seen regular thor do as well against the hulk as wm thor did in that book. thor x 10 should have been able to stomp him. thor 10x SHOULD have looked like he did in blood and thunder. which is why i like to think that arc depicts him much more accurately.
And for every showing you have of Thor busting something on a Celestial, there are probably 10 were he couldn't penetrate the Force Field of someone like Radioactive Man or Magneto. For that matter, I seem to remember Surfer successfully blocking with a Force Field during the Blood and Thunder Arc as well.
of course you can. like i could show thor effortlessly absorbing ss's amped power bolts and using a fist to shatter his force field . . . and i'm about 90% certain that in the past thor has absorbed magneto's force field AND busted radioactive man's. 😬 these no cis battles are almost impossible because any high feat i say you'll say it worked only because SOMEONE ELSE was displaying cis.
Well that's your prerogative, but personally I like to take ALL showings into consideration rather than just those from a characters core books. 😬
generally speaking i do as well, but that hulk story was really crap, imo. be like looking at 2 issues of spidey and factoring in his defeat of firelord as one of his showings then trying to average spidey's powers based on the fact that he beat a herald. doesn't work. obviously spidey has more showings to 'average', but you get the point. there really aren't many showings of WM thor, but a thor who is 10x more powerful than a regular thor otta be the beast we saw in blood and thunder.
so . . . i agree with guy. 🙂