The part of the Middle-Eastern issue that always irks me the most is that the people of the "West" always claim that the militant peoples of the Middle-East don't have a precedent for their actions, when I firmly believe they do - not to the extent to see the slaughter of civilians, an unconscionable act, but certainly enough to wage a legal war against us.
We don't have to go back all the way to the Crusades to trace how many ways the West has f*cked the Middle-East over, we can go back as little as twenty or so years ago, when the Cold War was still raging (though dying) and both sides were using the tensions in the area to further themselves and their goals.
Of course, most Westerners would claim that we never hold deep grudges, or have gotten over them; on even cursory examination, that's obviously the biggest lie to ever come out of our mouths.
It's cos he's from the past, Melcore.
Him and his kind are still stuck in that phase.
I just don't understand it from so many points of view. Supposed England is populated by mainly white English people, or various races, so what? You don't know them all, you don't have to interact with them all. It's just gonna be either loads of white, or loads of multiple raced people that you don't know, or won't ever speak to. It's so irrelevant.
My mum, who has the odd lapse in logic, said once "Everyone's moving out now...loads of new people moving in. Asians...(Usually meaning Indian, Bangladeshi or Pakistani).". Now, she has friends of many races, so I assume it's just the conditioning that made her feel you've gotta point this shit out, but I always think "So what?! I've never spoken to anybody who lives in number 82, why would I give a shit if they're white or not?".
It's just so odd.
-AC
Originally posted by Melcórë
I only watched part of the video, and emended my post.
BTW: I said I AGREED with AC, LOL.
I agree that equal rights is very debatable on many levels...but I also agree that females under Islamic culture are mistreated.
Maybe "better rights" would be a better wording?
oh...and my bad on the AC part....I read through stuff rather fast and make mistakes.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's cos he's from the past, Melcore.Him and his kind are still stuck in that phase.
I just don't understand it from so many points of view. Supposed England is populated by mainly white English people, or various races, so what? You don't know them all, you don't have to interact with them all. It's just gonna be either loads of white, or loads of multiple raced people that you don't know, or won't ever speak to. It's so irrelevant.
My mum, who has the odd lapse in logic, said once "Everyone's moving out now...loads of new people moving in. Asians...(Usually meaning Indian, Bangladeshi or Pakistani).". Now, she has friends of many races, so I assume it's just the conditioning that made her feel you've gotta point this shit out, but I always think "So what?! I've never spoken to anybody who lives in number 82, why would I give a shit if they're white or not?".
It's just so odd.
-AC
LOL. Indeed. White people also have the unfortunate habit of forgetting the fact that while these people immigrate legally, (generally), we as a race have rarely done so, almost always forcefully ejecting everyone else, or else subjugating them.
LMAO.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, it's rubbish really; being fair to people and not inherently linking terrorism to a religion.It's a big ask, especially from an elderly member of the British community who probably agrees with the notion that political correctness is bad. Cos as Stewart Lee once proposed, these people would probably prefer it if we were back in the day where England was for the "English" (A.k.a: white people) and other races had to endure being referred to as "Jungle bunnies" and "Black spots". People like this guy are using politcal correctness as a reason to revert back to a time that is thankfully gone. He strikes me as one of those "Oh you can't say ANYTHING anymore." cronebags.
Mighty fine suggestion there; let's run him out of town and dump him in a river, then going on to cite our desire to hear people out as a negative.
It's really shit, being fair to people.
How is a doctor of one religion refusing to treat someone any worse than a Christian doctor refusing to carry out an abortion?
I'd like this video a lot more of it wasn't filled with reactionary xenophobia. He's slightly implying that he's not so much talking about all people who follow Islam, which is fine, but the extremists. So why make remarks about women running the marathon wearing a "tent"?
It's people like him that make me despise this country's people.
-AC
Absolutely and utterly agreed. It really is strange how widespread that kind of thinking is, I have friends that I'd never expect to hear that sort of tripe from, yet they've said similar stuff. It really can be very aggravating.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree that equal rights is very debatable on many levels...but I also agree that females under Islamic culture are mistreated.Maybe "better rights" would be a better wording?
oh...and my bad on the AC part....I read through stuff rather fast and make mistakes.
Oh, I wasn't trying to insinuate that there isn't mistreatment in Islamic culture - just that, for all our posturing, Western-society has committed and allowed many atrocities to occur, with little-to-no backlash.
I'd also stress that we should try to view this issues from as many viewpoints as possible, and not always through our Western-biased lens.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Absolutely and utterly agreed. It really is strange how widespread that kind of thinking is, I have friends that I'd never expect to hear that sort of tripe from, yet they've said similar stuff. It really can be very aggravating.
Thats something ive noticed more and more, in the young and old, i even remember my gran saying she wouldnt use the local chemist anymore because they were 'pakiis'tanis and would give her fake meds, she instead put her faith in a large multinational chain that probably had 20 guniea pigs in the back in full makeup testing some new gypsy tears.
He made some good points, and some small minded ones. I don't assume all muslims are evil terrorists, but I am weary of a religion that in some cases (or most depending on who you ask lol) teaches it's followers that everyone who isn't muslim is bad...and in some cases are even taught to kill all non-believers. I know that the Qu'ran can be interpeted in different ways, so I don't lump all Muslims into these categories, but you have to acknowledge that they do exist, and it is scary.
Before 1:45
-claims Saudi Arabia (the royal family specifically) is the guardian of Islam and the guardian of terrorism. In the context of the modern world, both claims are true.
- Claims local Muslims are saying that a Saudi funded mosque will be for extremists by extremists. Without knowing the details personally, and just going on historical precedence, this is very possible.
- Claims "There is no dialog with radical Islam." While in general this is true, the context of the Saudi Royal family is obvious. And yes, it is true that there is very little dialog with the Saudi royal family.
1:45
-Says some things that appear to link Islam as a faith to terrorism
- says, with reference to the royal family, and after the tirade "And these are the true enemies of Muslims." Clearly he miscommunicated that he was slandering the Saudi royal family and not Islam in general. Also, this quote and much of the content around :52 make no sense if he is slandering all of Islam.
He can be criticized for semi-muddled communication or maybe not giving enough of a background on the how/why Saudi Arabia became the "guardians of Islam and terrorism", but he doesn't make any assertion about Islam and terrorism.
I must say though, the hate whitey love fest started up real fast on this one... Could this be the very sensitivity toward Islam he was speaking about?
lol, that was tongue in cheek, no offense intended. I'm not going to cheerlead for the guy, and he certainly uses words to describe Muslims that I wouldn't, so I'll give you that.
However, he didn't actually say that all Muslims are terrorists, as people seem to say he did. He actually made a very apt criticism of the Saudi royal family, though as with all things, it could be more nuanced.