EVANGEL94's Final Slugfest Tournament: Round 2-5; Symmetric Chaos vs SmurphSmash!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It enters things. It must exist in some physical form.

It's not up to me to prove a negative. Burden of proof is upon you.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It the effect also kept him unconscious. That's what I'm going for, no attempt to negate powers is being used.

Side effects do not justify the overall method.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I've already explain that I don't need to go after just cells. I can accelerate the impulses that allow them to think and overload their systems.

Not very well anyways.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Again, laws of physics do not bind my characters, or most comic characters.... "if, then" statements rarely apply.

Then give positive proof of this math equation doing anything. I'm not going to assume it can do anything without some sort of basic evidence. After all it's just a math equation, it could just wander away from the other team members because it doesn't care.

You know nothing about its personality. You know nothing about its power level. You know nothing about if it is physical or not.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
It states that they accelerated the cells leading to his powers so that he would be powerless. 😐

Side effects do not justify the overall method.

Better example:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/spedbraishift.jpg

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'll sum up my plan one last time. I will use T-Vo and Flash's ability to lend speed to parts of people's brains (here's a better example):
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/spedbraishift.jpg

Because of Karnak's ability to find weakness and Flash's hyperfast thoughts T-Vo fights will inevitably end with Pete winning. Smurph has yet to explain how his characters will not be KO'd by a brain fry or T-Vo.

If Mystique manages to avoid mental attacks Flash's vibration abilitys + Karnak's ability to strike the intangible mean I will eventually hit her. The same goes for characters like DeadGirl.

And you came up with "a simple plan".

HA.

Added on to this, you didn't know half my characters.

You didn't know that Dead Girl could phase.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/Dead%20Girl/X-Statix12-00.jpg

You didn't know that Mystique could phase.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6897058

You didn't know Loa's powerset.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Loapower.jpg

You didn't have plausible, proven plans for Doorman, Drtzky, Shadow King or Deadman.

Hell, you didn't even have a plan for Doorman...

Andd then, to cover everything you realized you didn't know, you attempted to cover by applying laws of physics to ghosts, zombies and astral beings. To spirits of death, and sentient math equations.

You attempted to apply your "simple plan".

It, obviously, failed.

Voting for SmurphSmash. His plan is alot more feasable. And doesn't involve the mistakes of the past. Namely attacking something that doesn't exist.

Just some thoughts so far:

I'm not really seeing how Smurph's team is beating Sym's. It seems like he is arguing the basis of how Sym's team won't be able to attack, but I haven't seen much argument for the offense of Smurph's team.

To me, Sym's team seems very meat and potatoes (but effective)...he's got someone who can hit intangible beings (Karnak), coupled with Superman's versatility, and the most important being Flash's speed imo. And bats for the prep with the psiblockers. So my question to Smurph is, how you plan to defeat Sym with a bunch of lowlevel intangibles(no need to type an explanation if you have already done so, just point to the post)...the fact that your characters are on different planes may support Sym having a hard time killing you, but then its a stalemate more than a victory for your team.

Couple questions:

Can Superman engage multiple people in T-Vo at the same time?

And Drtzki (sic) has to have a physical form or else he can't affect reality in the first place. Abstract nothingness can't affect the physical world. So I'm really just looking for clarification on exactly what he is, and how he'll be able to do what smurph says.

yeah, where is the ring go on a math equation?

Offense is the key here. Being defensive doesn't win battles. At some point, you have to switch to offense.

In one hour, with basic equipment. I don’t believe a suit can be build, unless you have a machine preset to do so or at least matter transmutating abilities.

My vote goes to Symmetric Chaos, the speed advantage is immense. Drafting DKRTYZY, is a dangerous draft with no showings to relay on what he can do. A bio does not really cut it IMO.

Deadman’s body possession, is a form of mind control. He gets into the body, and takes over the mind to make the body do its biting. Incidentally Pete (I think that’s his name) is making use of T-Vo, and psionic shielding has bin shown to block Deadmans possession.

Voting for SC

Smurph really doesn't have a way to counter SC's massive speed advantege added on to the fact that SC can use Karnak's ability to hit phased people.

T-Vo mention is really a huge turn off in an in-character/non CBR battle even more then implying a rookie GL can easily close black holes based on one panel that's contradicted by multiple other panels and really isn't consistent with the way Lanterns are written today or indicative of battle prowess, but T-Vo is still so unbelievably lame and brings back horrible memories of circa OW@W Superman debates. But I'll go with Sym, the whole win through outlasting is pretty shaky and barring T-Vo, I liked what Sym was saying.

Well, hopefully my questions get answered at some point, but in the meantime I'll vote on what I can understand.

It's not that I disregard Dsyatk (sic). It's just that I can only assume baseline GL stuff with him...nothing beyond energy blasts and defense. He has to have a physical form, equation or not, or he wouldn't actually exist except as a powerless abstract concept. I think Smurph tried to, say, draft the set of imaginary numbers (not imaginary in a real-world sense, but as a mathematical definition) and then said "Ha! Attack this!" It doesn't really work like that.

On the other side, Sym didn't really provide proper justification for some of his prep, and while T-Vo may not be Kal's first option, I can accept it as part of his power set based on the fact that each participant is fighting for their dreams and loved ones. And at the end of the day, he has Superman with Flash speed, the ability to affect intangible substances, and weakness-detection.

Voting Sym.

I cannot really vote for anyone on battle prowess since I don't believe one can ko the other. But this will go to SC in that case since T-vo is at least a chance to take them down, while Smurph has... Nothing. Can Drzzzl somehow take down the opponents? He seems to be the only one capable of hurting Supes.

Until new posts I vote for SC.

Voting for Sym, reasons posted above in earlier post.

Voting for this match will end at 7:30PM Central Standard Time.

Kay... I understand people's woes so far. If I have time later, I'll answer them...

Two hours twenty six minutes left.

I'll try to remember to vote in about two hours and twenty four.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
So my question to Smurph is, how you plan to defeat Sym with a bunch of lowlevel intangibles(no need to type an explanation if you have already done so, just point to the post)...the fact that your characters are on different planes may support Sym having a hard time killing you, but then its a stalemate more than a victory for your team.

I have multiple ways to defeat Sym... and even if none of them worked, I still can easily just outlast them. Apparently this is what everybody is wondering, so I'll lay it out:

Shadow King and Drtzky can be attacking Pete's mind the entire time. It took Maxwell Lord, a clearly inferior telepath, some time to take control of Superman... but we have no intention of taking control. Shadow King is one of the most powerful telepaths in Marvel.

Sym has already avoided countering the point that there is no plausible way for him to even attempt constructing TP blockers, much less one effective enough to matter.

So the entire time that Sym seems to think he'll be doing a number of complicated procedures, he'll be doing it while Shadow King is battering his mental defenses to pieces.

Simultaneously, Loa can one-shot him. Deadman CAN possess him. Drtzky can erase his mind (the major ability highlighted in his bio). Deadgirl and Mystique can both kamikaze him.

On top of these facts, I have multiple people that he can't touch. He has no proof that he can target the mental processing of Drtzky. Doorman, a spirit of death, can't be touched by Superman... it's not intangibility. There are no atoms to hit by vibrating his hand really fast (a fact that goes for Deadman, Shadow King, Deadgirl, Drtzky, and trying it on Loa would remove your hand).

He says he can target Doorman by switching between dimensions. But Doorman doesn't really exist in another dimension... he exists in ours. We just can't tell.

So when he tries to switch dimensions to target Doorman, that's self BFR.

Same goes for Shadow King.

Finally, even if you don't believe any of that (can't see why not), I can simply outlast him.

If they so choose, he can't lay a hand on Drtzky, Deadman, Shadow King, Deadgirl, Doorman, possibly even Loa.

NONE of his supposed methods of attack would work (illegal, or simply dumb), and ALL of my methods of attack have yet to be countered.

Drtzky, Deadman, Shadow King, Deadgirl, Doorman and Mr. Immortal can all simply outlast him. Mr. Immortal can't die and is supposed to live and exist to be the only thing left in the entire MU.

Deadman is a ghost, and immortal.

Shadow King can't be touched, and isn't human. No way for anybody to affect him.

Drtzky can apparently just exist as a thought inside someone's head, and nobody can hit a math equation... just can't be done.

Deadgirl is immortal, and can exist as a specter.

Doorman is a spirit of death that Superman can't affect in any way, shape or form.

It may seem odd, even improper, but it's true. I CAN NOT BE HARMED.

And my attacks HAVE NOT BEEN COUNTERED.

ALL OF HIS ATTACKS HAVE BEEN.

I'll be on if anybody has any more questions.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Can Superman engage multiple people in T-Vo at the same time?

He's done so to Lex, Lois, and Dominus all at once. Plus, I'm pretty sure the entire city of Metropolis was subjected to the effects at one point iirc.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Voting for this match will end at 7:30PM Central Standard Time.

'Kay, I really don't think their minds will sway that heavily with almost nothing new being brought to the argument at this point.