Originally posted by fascistcrusader
The fact that the players are still standing on a non destroyed planet after it is used multiple times. Also common sense. Supernova is an illusion, that is a fact.
Supernova doesnt destroy the planet... This "multiple times" argument can be used with ANY summon to make them seem like an illusion, Titan flips over the same piece of land over and over yet after the summon the land somehow appears back, Neo Bahamut lifts up a chunk of land, destroys it, yet after the summon is over that same chunk of land is somehow reformed and un damaged, so are you going to start saying Bahamuts and Titan are illusions as well? So that whole Bahamut in AC was all an illusion?
You have no basis of claiming its an illusion let alone "fact".
Supernova doesnt destroy the planet... This "multiple times" argument can be used with ANY summon to make them seem like an illusion, Titan flips over the same piece of land over and over yet after the summon the land somehow appears back, Neo Bahamut lifts up a chunk of land, destroys it, yet after the summon is over that same chunk of land is somehow reformed and un damaged, so are you going to start saying Bahamuts and Titan are illusions as well? So that whole Bahamut in AC was all an illusion?You have no basis of claiming its an illusion let alone "fact".
You're speech about the summons just proved my point, thanks. We see in Crisis Core that when you summon a creature the person it is being used against is shown an illusion, and that none of the effects or changing of the land is real.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
You're speech about the summons just proved my point, thanks. We see in Crisis Core that when you summon a creature the person it is being used against is shown an illusion, and that none of the effects or changing of the land is real.
So ur claiming that all summons are just illusions now? Odin doesnt exist? Meteor doesnt exist? Holy doesnt exist? wow.. just wow..
So ur claiming that all summons are just illusions now? Odin doesnt exist? Meteor doesnt exist? Holy doesnt exist? wow.. just wow..
You might want to learn how to read. I said that all of the effects and changes to the landscape summons cause are illusions, as shown very clearly in Crisis Core. When Ifrit is summoned the landscape doesn't become hellish, hot and bleak, that is simply an illusion that the victim of the summon is shown. The damage done is real, but none of the environmental effects are. Ifrit doesn't actually turn the section of land where he is summoned into hell, and Supernova doesn't actually destroy any planets.
This is why FFIX summons own the others.
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Canon feats for the win.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
You might want to learn how to read. I said that all of the effects and changes to the landscape summons cause are illusions, as shown very clearly in Crisis Core. When Ifrit is summoned the landscape doesn't become hellish, hot and bleak, that is simply an illusion that the victim of the summon is shown. The damage done is real, but none of the environmental effects are. Ifrit doesn't actually turn the section of land where he is summoned into hell, and Supernova doesn't actually destroy any planets.
Oh and when ifrit was summoned the landscape around them was hot and red.
wtf are you talking about? So the damage summons cause to the landscape are illusions? So Bahamut Sin destroying that big monument in AC is actually an illusion? And itll somehow return back into its normal form after Cloud kills Bahamut Sin? Uhh no.. its called "poor gameplay mechanics" thats why everything repeats itself when summons are used in gameplay, obviously theyre not gonna put in permanent ground damage everytime the summon is summoned or magic is used.Oh and when ifrit was summoned the landscape around them was hot and red.
Bahamut Shin is described as being able to manifest itself in the real world, differentiating it from the other summons that exist in an illusion. Ifrit doesn't change anything, the cutscenes show us very outright that when a summon is used against you, you are placed in an illusionary realm.
Supernova does not destroy the solar system. You really need to read up on FF VII related issues more often.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
This is why FFIX summons own the others.
YouTube videoCanon feats for the win.
My summon > your summon
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Supernova is an illusion because it is obvious the entire party and Sephiroth would not be able to survive that attack, and that single attack as shown in gameplay was MUCH more impressive than any other attack shown in FFVII. That and Sephiroth already has power over illusions.
Since when has a summon ever harmed the caster? Normally outside of gameplay a small cactus creature cannot survive giant bahamut blasts, however in gameplay they can, regular human soldiers cannot take multiple chops from Clouds sword either but in gameplay they can, its all about gameplay mechanics, they have a thing called HP
Bahamut Shin is described as being able to manifest itself in the real world, differentiating it from the other summons that exist in an illusion. Ifrit doesn't change anything, the cutscenes show us very outright that when a summon is used against you, you are placed in an illusionary realm.Supernova does not destroy the solar system. You really need to read up on FF VII related issues more often.
No not all summons bring you into an ilusionary realm.. Titan just comes and flips the chunk of ground below you, does he somehow turn that ground ur standing on into an "illusion"? So when Sephiroth summoned meteor, does meteor an illusionary earth to collide into? You said it yourself that they do no actual damage to the environment
You are contradicting things you say, and no not all summons bring you into an "illusionary realm to hurt them" titan, ramuh, odin, bahamut, etc basically every summon just comes onto the battlefield and attacks them, thats why its called a "Summon" because it summons forth another being or thing to harm the opponent, and what about the Shadow Creeps in AC? Those aren't capable of harming the environment either? There is still no proof or any real evidence that Supernova is an illusion, it is no different from any other summon.
You are contradicting things you say, and no not all summons bring you into an "illusionary realm to hurt them" titan, ramuh, odin, bahamut, etc basically every summon just comes onto the battlefield and attacks them, thats why its called a "Summon" because it summons forth another being or thing to harm the opponent, and what about the Shadow Creeps in AC? Those aren't capable of harming the environment either? There is still no proof or any real evidence that Supernova is an illusion, it is no different from any other summon.
Go play Crisis Core.
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When Ifrit is used against Zack we see the sky fading away and replaced by a hellish sky, as well as the terrain he is on going from forest to flames. Zack is still standing in the middle of the forest of Wutai though, he wasnever taken anywhere, and as soon as Ifrit is defeated everything goes back to normal. When Zack fights Bahamut he is at Banora, then we see Bahamut coming down from the sky and even though Zack is still in Banora village, to Zack he is in the middle of nowhere on a piece of rock with clouds everywhere. Then when Bahamut goes down everything's back to normal. When you fight Bahamut Fury you're still in Midgar, but all the buildings dissapear and are replaced by an oddly colored sky. When B Fury goes down everything is normal again.
Its irrefutable evidence. While FF VII never displayed this in action(except for in the case of Knights of the Round), Crisis Core shows us very explicitly that a summons environmental changes and effects are illusionary, only causing physical damage to their victim. Its the same with Supernova, while the damage done to its victim is real, the entire destruction of the Solar System sequence is an illusion, no planets are detroyed by the attack.
Cleyra was on a tree, something easy to burn/explode. Odin shooted a big fire ball from the top, and it fell destroying everything in its way, until it reached the base of the tree, destroying it completely.
Could Odin have done the same, if he attacked from the side(not the top) and if the target wasn't made of wood? No.
Fact is... If the Summons of FFIX have this level of power(city-busters), then Bahamut would have exploded the Iifa Tree when he attacked Kuja. Atomos would have sucked up the entire city of Lindblum. And Bahamut would have blew-up Alexandria in his first attack(before Alexander even appeared).
The Iifa Tree, Alexandria, and Linblum would be craters in the World Map.
The Summons of FFIX are overrated.
And please Terry, tell me you don't believe Sephiroth can blow-up multiple planets.