Superman and CP are not on the same level. If they were he would have won at least half as many time as Superman did against CM. CM does have Magical Shield Aura, and Physical, but he lacks speed. He is strong, but he is no Superman.
Any ways SS vs CM is a nice fight. SS' magic would be as dangerous as it would be to Superman, but either way I give this fight to Cm for the fact that he has become the new Shazam(Didn't know). If that is true, he is easily Sky-Father Level. SS is not!!
Originally posted by Raoul
thing is, me personally, i think marvel is only equal with superman at the best of times... i think supes is a little bit stronger, faster and more durable when it really, really comes down to it...
Originally posted by darthgoober
I see Supes as being faster, but they've been marked as peers in strength/durability too often to deny the fact IMO. Sure CM lacks Supes's long list of feats, but that lack of evidence isn't really suggestive of an inferiority on CM's part because it doesn't actually provide contradicting evidence to the direct comparison's to Supes's level of strength. Juggernaut doesn't have anywhere near as many feats of pure physical strength as Thor or the Hulk, but we know he's on par with them physically because he's matched them strait up on multiple occasions. The whole "I lift often lift impossibly heavy stuff" thing just caters better to some characters than it does to others..
During most of there encounters, I'd say Supe is portrayed as his superior...and man if CM did have supes speed he would be scary.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I see Supes as being faster, but they've been marked as peers in strength/durability too often to deny the fact IMO. Sure CM lacks Supes's long list of feats, but that lack of evidence isn't really suggestive of an inferiority on CM's part because it doesn't actually provide contradicting evidence to the direct comparison's to Supes's level of strength. Juggernaut doesn't have anywhere near as many feats of pure physical strength as Thor or the Hulk, but we know he's on par with them physically because he's matched them strait up on multiple occasions. The whole "I lift often lift impossibly heavy stuff" thing just caters better to some characters than it does to others..
i disagree, respectfully, but i disagree...
sure the marvels will give him a fight, and a very tough one at that, but i think their magic is a big help, as opposed to them being truly equal when it comes to strength...
just imo, tho...
Originally posted by Raoul
i disagree, respectfully, but i disagree...sure the marvels will give him a fight, and a very tough one at that, but i think their magic is a big help, as opposed to them being truly equal when it comes to strength...
just imo, tho...
Of course if you're right and Cap IS stronger and more durable than Supes by a far amount, I'd have to change my initial call from 6-7/10 for Surfer to 7-8/10.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That's cool. You've likely seen more encounters between CM and Supes than I have so you may very well be right(I'm not much of a CM fan), I was just putting my opinion out there mostly based on what I've heard around the forum.Of course if you're right and Cap IS stronger and more durable than Supes by a far amount, I'd have to change my initial call from 6-7/10 for Surfer to 7-8/10.
huh? cap is stronger?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Hey im not arguing that point, Supes is IMO>CM in every regard as well. However with SS, I tend to debate with what's been shown on-panel and not this ubber KMC version of him that does things he wouldnt normally do in battle.
Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
If SS can simulate the Odinforce, could he simulate SHAZAM lightning?Otherwise, CM's invulnerability has brought him through some BIG stuff, I'm not sure how SS could hurt him?
Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
If SS can simulate the Odinforce, could he simulate SHAZAM lightning?Otherwise, CM's invulnerability has brought him through some BIG stuff, I'm not sure how SS could hurt him?
No he wouldn't be able to simulate Shazam's bolts, SS has to avoid getting hit cause a magically amped punch would be a diaster to SS.
Originally posted by Raoul
i disagree, respectfully, but i disagree...sure the marvels will give him a fight, and a very tough one at that, but i think their magic is a big help, as opposed to them being truly equal when it comes to strength...
just imo, tho...
I very much concur. Supes and Caps do not have to be equals in every department in order for them to be truly competitive with each other. As far as pure strength, I put him in a similar boat as WW. Not as strong, but strong enough. What he does have is magic to bridge the gap. I also don't think he's nearly as fast as Supes.
I give Surfer 7/10 on this one. CM lacks any exploitable weakness, making him a much tougher fight for Surfer than Supes. I just think SS is too versatile and has too many offensive options. It would be a good fight though.