Originally posted by Janus Marius
Pellaeon is pretty cool. Boba Fett is the worst thing ever to hit SW series. Seriously, Revelation makes me want to puke.
Revelation was pure garbage, as is LOTF as a whole. On another note, I'm surprised that after all of these years, you just now look at the wikipedia feats for Luke. I have most of the sources for the feats. The rest are in various NJO books.
Originally posted by Gideon
First, I already know how you feel about them. Second, accept my invitation on MSN. Third, according to the list of feats, the source in question is the Dark Empire audiobook.
First, alright, no need to bring my mother into this. Second, I don't have MSN on this computer. Third, well... I don't have the audiobook... a person on another forum is requesting the scan, is all.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Revelation was pure garbage, as is LOTF as a whole. On another note, I'm surprised that after all of these years, you just now look at the wikipedia feats for Luke. I have most of the sources for the feats. The rest are in various NJO books.
All I got to say is that Jaina better not all of sudden have these uber powers from training with Fett that puts her in Jacen's level.
I don't know what you guys are on about when you talk about Jacen's 'Uber magic power's'. The guy gets his ass pwned in every book, I actually feel sorry for him sometimes. And his force feats aren't all that impressive when compared to some others. In my eye's the best thing he's done was when he completely curpstomped Kyle Katarn and 3 other Jedi.
That was awesome.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Luke's profile.If even half of that shit listed under his Force powers is true, I have to concede. That's just a ridiculous laundry list of feats.
Unfortunately many of those are inaccurate..half of it? I dunno. I just saw this post a long time ago...
These are the feats I have trouble believing after looking at the novels\comics firsthand... there are several bits that are severely misleading, some that assume rather extreme presumptions against existing evidence\precedence, and other that have irreconcilable differences from the source material (as in the text says something completely different or the direct opposite.) Basically almost every feat from a novel or comic that I've read, that's listed, has been blown out of proportion and I can prove it with quotes and scans (I already have for several though...)[Judging from the chronology of these I'm absolutely sure these events are what I think they are now.]
* Luke was able to knock down AT-ATs easily by tampering with them through the Force, as well as absorbing the initial cannon blasts from the AT-AT, before deflecting the rest with his lightsaber.
(It was only one AT-AT, and it was most likely it's anti-personnel shots that Luke absorbed; not it's meter wide Heavy Laser\Light Turbolaser shots. Also this makes the assumption that Luke used a new technique to make it fall, this is not true. It's made clear he uses TK to do it and that the AT-AT was already crippled.)
* During the time when he was re-creating the Jedi Order and was searching for potential candidates, he walked on lava, believing in his mastery in the Force. One should note that the temperature near a lava lake is so extreme (around 2,000 °F), it is almost impossible to even breathe properly. Not only did Luke use the Force to walk on lava, but he also battled a creature living in lava at the same time. Luke's performance impressed Gantoris so much that he decided to become Luke's apprentice.
(He jumped from stone to stone, he never directly walked on it while fighting the dragon. He did arguably walk on lava after he fought the dragon though, but it required a lot of power, effort, and concentration...
There was also a crowd of normal people in ragged clothing around that I'd doubt could remain alive in the heat if this wasn't the usual sci-fi artistic license lava, also his cloak didn't burn away in the air above the lava when separated from him either, it only burned when it physically touched the lava... I feel it's unlikely that the air was anywhere near 2,000°F)
*Luke kills the lava dragon by denting one of it scales and inadvertently having the lava cook it alive.*
* During the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke used the Force to rebuild Darth Vader's old fortress on Coruscant and made it invisible. After the crisis, with new found knowledge from the White Current, Luke removed the planet Brath Qella and the Teljkon Vagabond from view using the Force, and claimed it could last indefinitely. (One should observe that a hundred or thousand years later, eventually the Qella would rebuild their world successfully, by then their life forces would disturb the cloak and reveal the system.) In addition, Luke used the Force to crush the rebuilt fortress of Darth Vader to nothingness, shattering the building piece by piece.
This directly contradicts the text. Here's the alleged section showing Luke cloaking "the planet Brath Qella and the Teljkon Vagabond from view using the Force, and claimed it could last indefinitely." in anycase...
Black Fleet #3 - Tyrant's Test
"I don't know how long it will last," Luke said, gazing down on the planet. "Maybe not long at all. The forces affecting the ship are complex, and my teacher said that my touch is still too heavy. I had to try, though- try to draw the curtain and give them back their privacy, give them some time to heal, to build." He looked toward Eckels. "But I want to come back, to meet them. I wonder how long we'll have to wait."
I'm currently listening to the whole DE and Black Fleet series. I'll comment on my observations when I'm through.
However, here are lines about the Vader Fortress feat:
Black Fleet #1 - Before the Storm
He sat down on the sand, cross-legged and straight-backed, and brought his hands together in his lap, fingertip to fingertip. Concentrating on a picture in his mind, Luke dipped his awareness deeply into the flow of the Force beneath him. With eyes that looked inward, he found what he was seeking, like flaws in a near-perfect crystal. He extended his will.
The sand around him stirred. The rocks shuddered, shifted, then began to rise from the sea and the sand as though sifted from them by an invisible screen.
Swirling through the air as they sought their place, the stones took shape as broken wall and shattered foundation, as arch and gate and dome-the ruins of Darth Vader's fortress retreat. It hung in the air around and above Luke as it had once stood atop the cliff, a dark-faced and forbidding edifice.
Black Fleet #1 - Before the Storm
Now the stones swirled again in the air, joined by others plucked from the sea and stripped from the face of the cliff. Now broken edge fused against broken edge, and the dark faces of the rock lightened as their mineral structure was reshuffled. Now heavy rock walls and floors thinned to an airy elegance as if they were clay in a potter's press.
Now a tower stretched skyward until it rose above the edge of the cliff.
When it was done, the last gap closed, the last rock transformed, the structure securely perched just above the sand on pillars of stone extending down to the bedrock, Luke brought the E-wing down the beach and nestled it in the chamber he had made for it. It was not a door that closed over the opening, though, but a solid wall that closed out not only the wind and the cold, but the world.
Black Fleet #3 - Tyrant's Test
Extending his hands and his will, Luke found the points of greatest stress within the structure and pressed upon them, found the points of greatest fragility and sundered them. With a roar that momentarily rivaled the wind, the hermitage collapsed in on itself, crushing the fighter still sealed within it.
But that was not enough to satisfy Luke, not enough to forever erase the temptation. One after another, he raised the pieces of the ruined hermitage, the broken ship, up out of the sand and into the air, crumbling them with the force of his thoughts, until it was a dense, swirling cloud of pebble-sized fragments and metal bits.
Then, with a final, explosive effort of will, he hurled the cloud of debris far out beyond the breakers, where it rained down on the churning water and vanished from sight.
