With time materia this thread is a joke.
Without, Tsk, could go either way. I'd bet on Cloud and Zack purely because they have fought alongside each other a few times before.
Good use of the barrier materia would make the guns pointless, and as i said before. Zack as been shown to easily dodge bullets, Cloud has through FFVII so the guns don't seem all the useful anyway IMO.
Originally posted by Csdabest
Can I see This cutscene in where he gains it. Because I been looking at all the footagnd hasnt seen much in where he stomps time
There you go. I’d also like to point out that in game things don’t freeze completely, but activating the Time Lag provides Dante with complete invulnerability to attacks for about ½ a second. This includes explosions.
Did someone just use a Monty Oum video as evidence? I'm not surprised that it's Terry either.
I love how people assume "materia" FF characters are the shit, when there's been actual movies with them never using as fluid as one would believe. In the games they are used, they're quite slow to perform. With a sort of dance that needs to be done before it is cast. Then it hurts a bit more when time stop doesn't even work on powerful foes in their own series...
So no, time stop (which has been standard materia for FF characters since when?) is going to take a hell of a long time to cast compared to quicksilver.
And quicksilver is time slow, not time stop. Still great given that time slow is beneficial for Dante, with his speed. And going all out... he's in Devil mode. The boost. Oh the boost.
Keollyn, you're confusing the casting animation in the game with a requirement for use of the materia. In FF Advent Children, it was shown clearly Materia doesn't require anything other than a little effort to use.
You're argument seems to be "Dante uses the imba gun Quick Silver to shoot them in the face"
It's so flawed i think you just need to be slapped for your ignorance. Now let me say this clearly:
Zack has been shown to dodge several elite marksman's auto machine guns bullets at the same time, then taking them all out.
Cloud, by defeating Sephiroth is suggested to have surpassed Zack. If without that, He has dodge countless shinra troops gunfire through the course of the FFVII game.
Grants QS is a special gun. But it's not that special.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Keollyn, you're confusing the casting animation in the game with a requirement for use of the materia. In FF Advent Children, it was shown clearly Materia doesn't require anything other than a little effort to use.
No, I'm confusing the time they (as in Cloud or Zack) NEVER used materia in the movies that they appeared in, and instead, going by the ONLY time they did.
The game.
Where's your evidence? And oh, Loz is not another name for Cloud or Zack.
You're argument seems to be "Dante uses the imba gun Quick Silver to shoot them in the face"
It's so flawed i think you just need to be slapped for your ignorance. Now let me say this clearly:
And I find your general post ignorant given that you got "gun" from my post... when "gun" never appears in my post.
If I recall, "Quicksilver", "Dante's speed", and "Devil boost" appears in there.
Yeah... reading... yeah...
Zack has been shown to dodge several elite marksman's auto machine guns bullets at the same time, then taking them all out.
Oh wow! Because bullet speed is new to Dante...
Cloud, by defeating Sephiroth is suggested to have surpassed Zack. If without that, He has dodge countless shinra troops gunfire through the course of the FFVII game.
Oh wow! Because bullet speed is new to Dante...
Grants QS is a special gun. But it's not that special.
Time slow > Zack and Cloud. Yeah...
P.S. Quicksilver isn't a gun. Clearly not on the level of high awareness are you?
Originally posted by Ivalice
Just a question. What materia's do cloud and zack [b]canonically possessed? [/B]
Oh... burn!
Originally posted by KeollynSigh, I was asking that simply because they have yet to actually show them the using any materia (in any cutscene and in any movie)and the fact that i'm asking an ff7 fangirl(Evilangel) a simple question as she would likely(and not surprisingly) conjure up something absurd to try to back her claims.Oh... burn!
Anyways you got her :
So good job to that.
Originally posted by Terryc250
If FF team gets all materia, then they can use timestop
Originally posted by Terryc250
It was never stated, but in AC; Cloud had a trunk load of materia that got stolen by the SHM.
Also, @ Csabest: Your error, not mine and the M key isn't exactly close to the S, T, O or P keys.
Originally posted by Raijin
Did you NOT read my post? Geez.
Which means what? He never used any of them and why should we assume any timestopping materia is in there? I don't remember getting Stop or Stopga materia in my playthrough of the game, meaning he probably didn't obtain it canonically.
Why would Yazoo and Loz be able to use Materia better than Cloud or Zack?
Give me an answer for that and i'll be impressed, since Cloud and Zack actually have experience using materia, unlike the other 2.
Which is invalid because Cloud and Zack also have time powers. However, Cloud and Zack can completely stop time for as long as they have magic, according to the game. So Dante and Nero are a bit screwed IMO.
Well, if you say so.
No, read above.
I know, i was in a rush to go so there's loads of typos if you read the post through. I meant to say it's a good combination.
Thread creator gave them materia. So no burn. Just the swatting of ignorant fanboys across the desk really.
As it stands Cloud and Zack have:
- Time powers
- Barriers
- Summons
- Elemental powers
- Chaos powers (tornado's, meteorites etc)
- Healing powers
- Materia that increase their physical power (Speed plus materia, Pre emptive, etc)
- Manipulate materia, aka enemy control.
How the hell do they win?
Yes, I'm a fangirl for presenting an opinion that differs to your own, flawless logic that one.
Originally posted by EvilAngelReally? Link me to a canon cutscene which shows cloud actually using materia other than gameplay mechanics.
Why would Yazoo and Loz be able to use Materia better than Cloud or Zack?
Give me an answer for that and i'll be impressed, since Cloud and Zack actually have experience using materia, unlike the other 2.
Originally posted by EvilAngelQuantify and substantiate this. Also find me an actual source which states or depict either of them using materia other than pure gameplay mechanics which would be considered N-canon unless shown in a cut scene.Which is invalid because Cloud and Zack also have time powers.
So that and ill concede.
Originally posted by EvilAngelSee the above. By logic if either had stop time abilities, why did cloud never bother to stop time during ANY of his duels with sephiroth?However, Cloud and Zack can completely stop time for as long as they have magic, according to the game. So Dante and Nero are a bit screwed in my fallible and unsupported opinion.
Originally posted by EvilAngelSee the below.
Thread creator gave them materia. So no burn. Just the swatting of ignorant fanboys across the desk really.
Originally posted by Sol Valentineand
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Who wins?
Daaammmmm! you have reading disabilities. Where exactly did he give them both materia?
Originally posted by Sol ValentineAnd the funny thing is that neither of them(especially cloud for that matter) has not demonstrated ANY of the above powers mentioned in ANY cutscenes save for pure gameplay which you have the privilage of customising.
As it stands Cloud and Zack have:- Time powers
- Barriers
- Summons
- Elemental powers
- Chaos powers (tornado's, meteorites etc)
- Healing powers
- Materia that increase their physical power (Speed plus materia, Pre emptive, etc)
- Manipulate materia, aka enemy control.
Even
Terryc250 could do a better job of convincing me that cloud does have some materia(though it is unknown what materias were in that box) whereas you on the other hand are listing down feats which the either of the duo has yet to demonstrate.
Originally posted by Sol ValentineFrom presenting an opinion which is highly fallacious and unsupported which is a very common aspect of fanboy/fangirlism.
Yes, I'm a fangirl for presenting an opinion that differs to your own, flawless logic that one.
Now you have yet to answer a question i have asked :
Originally posted by Ivalice
Just a question. What materia's do cloud and zack [b]canonically possess? [/B]
Originally posted by Ivalice
Really? Link me to a [b]canon cutscene which shows cloud actually using materia other than gameplay mechanics.[/B]
*Yawns* see last response in this post
Originally posted by Ivalice
Quantify and substantiate this. Also find me an actual source which states or depict either of them using materia other than pure gameplay mechanics which would be considered N-canon unless shown in a [b]cut scene.So that and ill concede.[/B]
Again, look to last response.
Originally posted by IvaliceWell how about, he never had slow time in any of his duels with Sephiroth
See the above. By logic if either had stop time abilities, why did cloud never bother to stop time during ANY of his duels with sephiroth?
1st Duel, he was a grunt for Shinra, they don't get materia
2nd Duel, Cloud uses Omnislash and that's it
3rd Duel, Loz stole all the materia.
Originally posted by IvaliceNo, learn to read past the 1st post.
Daaammmmm! you have reading disabilities. Where exactly did he give them both materia?
Originally posted by Ivalice
From presenting an opinion which is [b]highly fallacious and unsupported which is a very common aspect of fanboy/fangirlism.Now you have yet to answer a question i have asked : [/B]
Since this is a debate of opinion, which by definition cannot be right or wrong, both given things are matter of opinion. Therefore you're just plain insulting me. Now i don't really have a choice but to report that aggressive attitude you have in this civil debate.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
While I am of the opinion that team FF > team DMC in swordsmanship I believe Dante's healing factor is too much to handle. Unless of course we're taking materia into consideration which pretty much becomes another discussion.So which is it?
Strict swordfight or an all out materia/demonic powers?
Originally posted by Sol Valentine
All out.
Thread creators rules. All materia.
"Not done in cutscene therefore none cannon" that's the "If i can't see it, it's not there" approach, something a child tells themselves.
It's in the forums rules, if the thread creator puts forth a certain rule, it has to be taken into account. Sol says all out on the materia front.
So as for you're feeble attempts to disallow Materia, do better.