Batman vs Winter Soldier

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ummm...how? As DS basically had every advantage and he still got beat pretty bad, and owning implies it's one sided...it wasn't.

Errrr...DS was seriously injuired, and DS made reference he was a threat 😬

batman never really had a chance to win, thats what I meant when I said he wasnt a threat. Sure he can land some kicks and punches to hurt DS, but that doesnt matter in the fight, since whoever is standing is all that matters.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
batman never really had a chance to win, thats what I meant when I said he wasnt a threat. Sure he can land some kicks and punches to hurt DS, but that doesnt matter in the fight, since whoever is standing is all that matters.

Uuuuuh...yeah he did 😬 and DS even mentioned he hit harder then superhuman people with super strength and had DS seriously hurt. Now if Batman did that to DS, what chance does WS have?

Hell did you see what Batman did recently to Hawkgirl? Who has more experience and is physically superior to him in every way

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Uuuuuh...yeah he did 😬 and DS even mentioned he hit harder then superhuman people with super strength and had DS seriously hurt. Now if Batman did that to DS, what chance does WS have?

so are you telling me you think Batman can beat DS in a straight up fight?

Originally posted by King_Mungi

Hell did you see what Batman did recently to Hawkgirl? Who has more experience and is physically superior to him in every way

Originally posted by Master-Borg
so are you telling me you think Batman can beat DS in a straight up fight?

They could split wins and losses, considering what both have done.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
batman tends to be exaggerated a bit when he hangs around with the JLA. (ie him beating on Grundy and Darkseid)

It was in Outsiders he did it, not in the JLA

Originally posted by King_Mungi
They could split wins and losses, considering what both have done.

you think Batman vs DS would go 5/5

whereas I think Batman vs DS would go 9/1 in DS' favor

Originally posted by Master-Borg
ok so thats where we differ

you think Batman vs DS would go 5/5

whereas I think Batman vs DS would go 9/1 in DS' favor

I may give DS the slight majority, but definetly not a 9/10 favor

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I may give DS the slight majority, but definetly not a 9/10 favor

why?...DS basically 'killed' Batman and walked away with a limp. That's not really a close fight.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
why?...DS basically 'killed' Batman and walked away with a limp. That's not really a close fight.

It was more then a limp as DS was pretty drained and seriously hurt 😬, and Batman has beaten people just as skilled as DS and people stronger then DS so on-panel feats for Batman suggest he definetly can hang with DS.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It was more then a limp as DS was pretty drained and seriously hurt 😬, and Batman has beaten people just as skilled as DS and people stronger then DS so on-panel feats for Batman suggest he definetly can hang with DS.

the fact is batman is usually smarter than his opponent...but thats not the case against DS

Originally posted by Master-Borg
who has Batman beat (outside of PIS) that had a combination of DS's intellect, skills and physical abilities?

the fact is batman is usually smarter than his opponent...but thats not the case against DS

His old martial arts masters, and Promethus for starters

DS has been outsmarted by Green Arrow before 😬

Originally posted by King_Mungi
His old martial arts masters, and Promethus for starters

DS has been outsmarted by Green Arrow before 😬

1. his old martial arts masters did not utilize 90% of their brains or have enhanced human attributes...so no way are them comparable to DS

2. Not knowledgeable about the DS-Green Arrow fight, but did GA have prep or other advantages perhaps?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
1. his old martial arts masters did not utilize 90% of their brains or have enhanced human attributes...so no way are them comparable to DS

2. Not knowledgeable about the DS-Green Arrow fight, but did GA have prep or other advantages perhaps?

1. Sweet, so using 90% of his brain gives him what abilities now? and yes they did have enhanced abiliites as they could focus their chi to grant them more power.

2. He had prep, but during the fight he was outsmarting him

DS clearly is not batman level of skill.

Batman gives DS a run for his money due to the level of skill differences. DS is good, but he simply not batman level of skill nor has he shown to be.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
DS clearly is not batman level of skill.

Batman gives DS a run for his money due to the level of skill differences. DS is good, but he simply not batman level of skill nor has he shown to be.

and why do you think he ISN'T as skilled? and not shown to be? Errrrr? Do I really need to make a new Deathstroke respect thread now?

Originally posted by ScarletSpeed
Hand to hand combat, Batman takes it IMO.

Agreed

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and why do you think he ISN'T as skilled?

well, if according to you, DS is physically superior in every way, yet you believe they're about even in a fight...then it MUST mean batman is more skilled

the only way one person who can beat someone who has all the physical advantages is by being more skilled to compensate for their physical disadvantages

Originally posted by Master-Borg
well, if according to you, DS is physically superior in every way, yet you believe they're about even in a fight...then it MUST mean batman is more skilled

the only way one person who can beat someone who has all the physical advantages is by being more skilled to compensate for their physical disadvantages

Except that's not what was stated and shown, but Batman still did what he did. Hence, why it was impressive and hence why I brought it up. Now do you get it? Hell just recently in Teen Titans year 1, the Titans defeated Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Arrow and Flash but were all defeated by Batman just by himself

dood you know well enough that Batman is a walking PIS device, him beating Titans only confirms that point

so now Im confused...you think DS is physically SUPERIOR in every way AND just as skilled...so how is it that you think batman can take half of their fights, through magic?!