Batman vs Winter Soldier

Originally posted by Master-Borg
dood you know well enough that Batman is a walking PIS device, him beating Titans only confirms that point

so now Im confused...you think DS is physically SUPERIOR in every way AND just as skilled...so how is it that you think batman can take half of their fights, through magic?!

and Deathstroke isn't? lulz

Because he is Batman, as retarded as that sounds he has shown to overcome massive odds time and time again. He does things physically he shouldn't be capable of over and over again.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and Deathstroke isn't? lulz

Because he is Batman, as retarded as that sounds he has shown to overcome massive odds time and time again. He does things physically he shouldn't be capable of over and over again.

for one, he actually has an explanation for his abilties...he uses 90% of his brainpower, plus his physical abilities are all enhanced beyond human levels

so basically, your argument for Batman winning despite all logic is "cuz he's batman"....*clap* *clap* 😐

Originally posted by Battlehammer
currently if were allowing bucky after the sss up grade then he wins.

with out it he loses

Bucky was never given any kind of upgrade.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
but batman is more skilled and more experienced than him

Skilled, maybe, but how do you figure that he's more experienced than someone who's worked through WWII and the Cold War up to the present date?

Originally posted by Tron
Bucky was never given any kind of upgrade.

Skilled, maybe, but how do you figure that he's more experienced than someone who's worked through WWII and the Cold War up to the present date?

Hes in his 20s because he had been frozen, didn't spend much time during that time unfrozen but it depends on how long Bats has been fighting because Buck started properly at 16.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and why do you think he ISN'T as skilled? and not shown to be? Errrrr? Do I really need to make a new Deathstroke respect thread now?

and I refferring to MA skill.

becauses I know what you consider fighting skill and what I consider it are not the same.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and why do you think he ISN'T as skilled? and not shown to be? Errrrr? Do I really need to make a new Deathstroke respect thread now?

Soon to.

Lots of material from his own series.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
DS is nowhere near the PIS as batman

for one, he actually has an explanation for his abilties...he uses 90% of his brainpower, plus his physical abilities are all enhanced beyond human levels

so basically, your argument for Batman winning despite all logic is "cuz he's batman"....*clap* *clap* 😐

DS takes on the entire JLA, and tags Flash on a regular basis. He even was so quick, Superman couldn't react fast enough. Lulz

Sweet, so what does using 90% of his brain give him? As I know what DS can do and I have read majority of his apperances so I know what I'm talking about

Lulz, so shall we ignore on-panel evidence then? As that's what I'm baseing it on. As even peak human Cap has shown his shield to catch a missile, that's physically impossible but he still did it. Batman has done things physically impossible for a peak human as well, but shall we ignore them now?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
seen it a million times.

and I refferring to MA skill.

becauses I know what you consider fighting skill and what I consider it are not the same.

The old respect thread doesn't have everything

as am I

yes, DS was trained by the best in the world by the worlds greatest martial artists. Even green Arrow recently tracked down one of his former masters to be trained.

I could be wrong, but I recall people saying that Deathstroke's upgrades were failing during the first Batman fight. Also, I know DS is skilled, but isn't he far stronger, faster, and more agile than a a plain human could ever be? I really don't think he can be almost as skilled as Batman, if when he has a huge strength advantage he gets a close victory.

Originally posted by King_Mungi

Sweet, so what does using 90% of his brain give him?

gives him the ability to tag Flash, as well his other impressive feats.

Batman doesn't have that, so batman's outrageous feats are PIS.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
I could be wrong, but I recall people saying that Deathstroke's upgrades were failing during the first Batman fight. Also, I know DS is skilled, but isn't he far stronger, faster, and more agile than a a plain human could ever be? I really don't think he can be almost as skilled as Batman, if when he has a huge strength advantage he gets a close victory.

Naaaa, he still was physically stronger then Batman and made reference to it during the fight in hand. It was even said by Batman issues later that DS was just as skilled as him.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
gives him the ability to tag Flash, as well his other impressive feats.

Batman doesn't have that, so batman's outrageous feats are PIS.

Errrr...Batman has tagged Flash, Kid Flash, Wonder Woman and even Superman before 😬 Like I said on-panel evidence shows Batman doing things he shouldn't and he does it multiple times. So I guess we have to ignore the entire character of Batman then eh? 👆

Originally posted by King_Mungi

The old respect thread doesn't have everything

as am I

yes, DS was trained by the best in the world by the worlds greatest martial artists. Even green Arrow recently tracked down one of his former masters to be trained.

I know, but doubtful it matters I read him time to time to keep up on him.

Really, becauses I have yet to see him prove it. I mean for one batman physically inferior yet still gives him all hell as does other physically inferior individuals.

so was WS yet he still not on capt or batman skill level. BW was also trained similarly as were many others.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
could have sworn he recieved the serum.

I could have sworn I saw scanns and the issue in which he on the lab table recieving the serum.

I could be wrong, but I thought he did.

I believe you're wrong.

I could be mistaken, but I've read the entire current run, and don't recall ANYTHING about bucky getting the SSS.

In fact, he has lamented several times about NOT having it.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
I could be wrong, but I recall people saying that Deathstroke's upgrades were failing during the first Batman fight. Also, I know DS is skilled, but isn't he far stronger, faster, and more agile than a a plain human could ever be? I really don't think he can be almost as skilled as Batman, if when he has a huge strength advantage he gets a close victory.

King Mungi:

DS is stronger, faster, more agile, more durable, and has faster reflexes than Batman

DS is just as skilled as Batman

Yet, Batman has equal shot of winning in a fight against DS

😆

dam then im wrong lol must have miss read it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I know, but doubtful it matters I read him time to time to keep up on him.

Really, becauses I have yet to see him prove it. I mean for one batman physically inferior yet still gives him all hell as does other physically inferior individuals.

so was WS yet he still not on capt or batman skill level. BW was also trained similarly as were many others.

Like what issues then?

Ummm..what? It's rountinely stated he is one of the most skilled fighters in the DCU.

annnnnnnd you missed the entire point.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
King Mungi:

DS is stronger, faster, more agile, more durable, and has faster reflexes than Batman

DS is just as skilled as Batman

Yet, Batman has equal shot of winning in a fight against DS

😆

He does as shown with his feats, even recently he made Darkseid bleed. Another physical impossibilities with his powerset, so I like your logic just merely ignore all the things Batman has done

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He does as shown with his feats, even recently he made Darkseid bleed. Another physical impossibilities with his powerset, so I like your logic just merely ignore all the things Batman has done

so now one of Batman's powers is 'physical impossibilities'?

in that case, I guess you think Batman could beat the Flash as well, since you know, he's tagged him before. 🙄

Originally posted by Master-Borg
wow just wow

so now one of Batman's powers is 'physical impossibilities'?

in that case, I guess you think Batman could beat the Flash as well, since you know, he's tagged him before. 🙄

Dur! If you read Batman you would know he does things frequently that are physical impossible for someone who is peak human.

Pretty much as Batman has twice defeated Grundy, just like Captain America throwing his shield to catch up to missile or his blows hurting even the Hulk.

Sweet, I love your logic again. Can't prove your point so say things the other person never said or implied and then ignore on-panel evidence without providing any for yourself 👆

Originally posted by Joe Pap
Hes in his 20s because he had been frozen, didn't spend much time during that time unfrozen but it depends on how long Bats has been fighting because Buck started properly at 16.

He still has numerous missions as the Winter Soldier under his belt.