Originally posted by BigRed
I find this hillarious with all due respect to you dadudemon and Bardock.Taking away votes? Who gives a ****? If they don't deserve them, why should they get them?
It is on topic, it is about adding a "none of the above" to the ballot for the general election in the US...
What exactly do you think the point of that would be?
Originally posted by BigRed
I find this hillarious with all due respect to you dadudemon and Bardock.Taking away votes? Who gives a ****? If they don't deserve them, why should they get them?
It is on topic, it is about adding a "none of the above" to the ballot for the general election in the US...
No offense taken. I am used to be laughed at. 🙁
My point WAS that taking away votes from other candidates to "send a message" is just about the only viable option. I think you misread the tone of my post. Just as Chil put it....what could it possibly accomplish? I will take it a step further...what could it do that would have a positive impact on our American politics?
If you can convince me, I am all for it. I am not a close minded fool.
Originally posted by Devil King
Good god! How many times does it have to be said? You can write in "none of the above", but it won't matter. A vote cast for no one doesn't take a vote away from anyone!This will, however, become more and more difficult an opinion to express in electronic voting.
It's about the people that are sick of the government and the candidates offered, having a voice instead of just not voting at all.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
What exactly do you think the point of that would be?
Originally posted by dadudemon
No offense taken. I am used to be laughed at. 🙁My point WAS that taking away votes from other candidates to "send a message" is just about the only viable option. I think you misread the tone of my post. Just as Chil put it....what could it possibly accomplish? I will take it a step further...[B]what could it do that would have a positive impact on our American politics?
If you can convince me, I am all for it. I am not a close minded fool. [/B]
Originally posted by BigRed
It's not about taking away or giving or what have you votes.It's about the people that are sick of the government and the candidates offered, having a voice instead of just not voting at all.
And those votes aren't counted towards any election. It would take millions upon millions of people writing in None of the Above for anyone to take notice. and it won't happen.
And what would be a much more effective way of saying you don't like either candidate? Throw your support behind a dark horse candidate! Don't waste your time casting a vote for no one in the election or an amorphous political concept.
I am all for deflating the two-party system. But every time a 3rd or 4th party candidate runs, no one votes for them. And it isn't support on election day that would give them an in, it's support for the year before the election. We have to have hundreds of thousands of people showing up for their speeches and public debates before anyone will give them the time of day.
If there's one thing this year has shown us, it's that people like Ron Paul (who is a member of the 2 party monopoly) can actually raise 10s of millions of dollars from the people themselves despite them not being a favored candidate of the 2 party, big buisiness system. Now, what the hell he decided to do with that money is neither on topic or something we can answer. I'm personally hoping that the "little guy" that sent him those millions of dollars are feeling burnt by his total lack of action. He's got his future congressinal runs paid for, but he failed those people by buying into the idea that he had no chance, so he just stopped trying. So what we need are the millions of hilldog, obama and mccain supporters to consider the idea of a third or forth party candidate. And one of Paul's biggest mistakes was aking sure the little (R) in front of his name was never going to be considered an (I). This year could have been one of the most promising years for an Independant candidate. But it had to start as far back as the Dem/Rep process did. Nader won't mean much (especially since he's the same tired candidate, who has excellent and very legitimate points.) when so many people made up their minds months ago.
Originally posted by StrangeloveAh come on, you said it yourself, US politics is dead for a few months. Lets just talk about this now and when it picks up again we use it for your purpose. Or is there a reason why it has to lie flat until then?
Incorrect. This thread is about discussion of upcoming elections, not about the viability of subverting the country with an option to vote 'none of the above.'
Originally posted by BigRedYou can see the voters output. The point though is that it doesn't matter. The politicians wíll continue to rule the people even if only 5 percent of all eligible voters cast theirs. The point is no one cares about being fair in democracy, they just want the system to work...especially work for them.
Wouldn't you want to see how many people don't like the candidates offered and are dissatisfied with their government?Shouldn't those people get to participate in the voting process?
Originally posted by Devil KingYou don't think millions and millions would do it?
[B]And those votes aren't counted towards any election. It would take millions upon millions of people writing in None of the Above for anyone to take notice. and it won't happen.
Originally posted by Devil King And what would be a much more effective way of saying you don't like either candidate? Throw your support behind a dark horse candidate! Don't waste your time casting a vote for no one in the election or an amorphous political concept.Why do you assume just because somebody is outside the two party system they are a viable candidate? I don't want a third party candidate to win just to break the system. I'd rather believe in what that person is saying. I don't compromise conviction.