Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Interesting. A man with a metal exoskeleton against a guy who controls 10,000,000 volts of electricity....
This could only end well for the moving conductor. 😄Because..you know, she can't.
She's not as strong or as durable.
The guy took a lightning bolt without even falling down.....she died from a single gunshot wound.
Hell, Volgin has a bullet hole in his forehead in the final battle and is still ready to fight.Excuse me....when Snake left his first match with Volgin, he was running doubled-over in pain the entire time. Even after he escaped the hangar.
He showed no signs of pain after his fight with The Boss.
Also, he defeated the Boss one-on-one with just a gun an dknife. He had an RPG-7 on his side against his second time with Volgin and STILL couldn't beat the Colonel.And Snake never defeated Volgin...your point?
Skill.
Do you even understand just how fast Gray Fox is ? Null doesn't have or need a exoskeleton for your statement to mean anything. Because even before he had the exoskeleton. Gray Fox was still too fast, too skilled, and he was considered the perfect soldier.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Ugh...not this again.
Naked Snake or rather Big Boss, is established as the greatest soldier of the 20th Century. Fact.
He's defeated people stronger, faster and far more powerful than The Boss. Fact.
The Boss has perhaps slightly above human strength. Real humans, not comic book humans. She demonstrated no speed or durability to put her on the level of the people Big Boss and later Solid Snake would face.
Hell, MGS2 Raiden is more impressive than her. He not only defeated a bullet-dodger twice, he took on Solidus in sword combat. Solidus "I can deflect every bullet fired at me by a Vulcan cannon" Snake. But Raiden was too fast for him.The Boss has skill and preactically nothing else going for her.
Yes again with your non sense. The Boss is the true perfect soldier. every member on her Cobra Unit is on par with members of the FOX Unit, FOX HOUND, and Dead Cell. And The Boss was still the best of them (with no powers). And Snake is not just good because of skill. It's because he was train by The Boss. And you say that N. Sake never defeated Volgin. So in the take hanger where Volgin and Snake engaged each other in h2h combat, Snake didn't beat him? Who was calling for help in that fight? Not Snake that's for sure. If it wasn't for The Boss, N. Snake wouldn't be man he is. It's the same reason why Solid, Solidus, and Liquid are so good. Their skills are credited to Big Boss, who learned everything from The Boss. Anybody Solid Snake took on, The Boss would defeat. And Raiden is not as good as she is. The Fear is just as fast as Vamp. Do think The Fear would defeat The Boss? No. Gene is also as fast as Vamp, and he is good because he has The Boss's gens in him. Gene too, would lose to The Boss. And when Snake defeated her, she was passing the torch to him. It was her mission to give her life for her country. If she wanted to. N. Snake would've been dead long ago. As I said before. Make sure you know what you are talking about before you say something to me about MGS.
Do you even understand just how fast Gray Fox is ? Null doesn't have or need a exoskeleton for your statement to mean anything. Because even before he had the exoskeleton. Gray Fox was still too fast, too skilled, and he was considered the perfect soldier.
And that's why both Snake and Gene beat him?
Null's only weapon was a knife - a metal instrument. He tries to stab Volgin and is electrocuted to death.
Yes again with your non sense. The Boss is the true perfect soldier. every member on her Cobra Unit is on par with members of the FOX Unit, FOX HOUND, and Dead Cell.
I'd really like to see The Pain vs. Vulcan Raven...he and his hornets be annihilated in seconds.
Ocelot by MGS1 is a good enough shot to kill The Fear no problem.
Pscyo Mantis can kill ay of them save The Sorrow.
Liquid might lose to The Boss.
And you say that N. Sake never defeated Volgin. So in the take hanger where Volgin and Snake engaged each other in h2h combat, Snake didn't beat him? Who was calling for help in that fight?
I don't see what being smart has to do with losing.
The evil mastermind, instead of engaging in an honor-duel or some complex, over-elaborate scheme of doom for the hero, just commands his troops to shoot the hero.
Smart if you ask me.
It's the same reason why Solid, Solidus, and Liquid are so good. Their skills are credited to Big Boss, who learned everything from The Boss.
We don't even know if Solidus knew his father at all and Solid had already surpassed BB when he was still a rookie.
Anybody Solid Snake took on, The Boss would defeat
She'd lose to Cyborg Fox. She'd lose to Mantis. She might even lose to Liquid.
And Raiden is not as good as she is. The Fear is just as fast as Vamp.
LOLOLOLOLOOL
YouTube video
That's Vamp being fired on directly by a Navy SEAL with an automatic weapon and he's able to avoid every single round just by twirling.
Show me the Fear moving at this speed.
Gene too, would lose to The Boss.
Um, why wouldn't he?
And when Snake defeated her, she was passing the torch to him. It was her mission to give her life for her country. If she wanted to. N. Snake would've been dead long ago. As I said before. Make sure you know what you are talking about before you say something to me about MGS.
And Solidus could've killed Raiden long before too...but he didn't.
It doesn't matter what culd've. What happened was THe Boss got killed by Naked Snake because he is a better soldier.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
And that's why both Snake and Gene beat him?
Null's only weapon was a knife - a metal instrument. He tries to stab Volgin and is electrocuted to death.I'd really like to see The Pain vs. Vulcan Raven...he and his hornets be annihilated in seconds.
Ocelot by MGS1 is a good enough shot to kill The Fear no problem.
Pscyo Mantis can kill ay of them save The Sorrow.
Liquid might lose to The Boss.I don't see what being smart has to do with losing.
The evil mastermind, instead of engaging in an honor-duel or some complex, over-elaborate scheme of doom for the hero, just commands his troops to shoot the hero.
Smart if you ask me.We don't even know if Solidus knew his father at all and Solid had already surpassed BB when he was still a rookie.
She'd lose to Cyborg Fox. She'd lose to Mantis. She might even lose to Liquid.
LOLOLOLOLOOL
YouTube videoThat's Vamp being fired on directly by a Navy SEAL with an automatic weapon and he's able to avoid every single round just by twirling.
Show me the Fear moving at this speed.Um, why wouldn't he?
And Solidus could've killed Raiden long before too...but he didn't.
It doesn't matter what culd've. What happened was THe Boss got killed by Naked Snake because he is a better soldier.
Snake surpassed a BB that was already in his late 50s. Smart? Try a coward instead. Volgin is only tough when somebody is chained up. Snake took everything Volgin had to give and said nothing. Why? Because The Boss trained him not to break. And The Boss would not lose to Cyborg Ninja, Mantis, or Liquid. She is way too skilled. She was supposed to lose to snake or her mission would've been considered a failure by the US. She was not permitted to come back alive either way. She had to die. And N. Snake doesn't feel that he surpassed The Boss neither, he said that in MGPO. So your wrong in thinking that BB is better. You don't understand why The Boss is the best. You talk about Vamp's speed. How do you think Raiden was able beat him then. Nothing is absolute, and power can't always trump Skill. Snake or The Boss can do the same thing also. The Boss, Solid Snake, and BB all have no powers. Only exceptional skills. If you understood MGS. You would know that skill>>>>>powers all the time. And don't wast your time posting videos of MG2 or any MGS game. You can't imagine how many times I've seen them through playing the games.
Snake surpassed a BB that was already in his late 50s.
..this matters?
Ocelot is at his prime in MGS1 and 2. He's old as shit.
Smart? Try a coward instead.
No, a coward would have killed Snake with his back turned. Volgin fought Snake and then just decided it be smarter to shoot him.
Smart.
Volgin is only tough when somebody is chained up.
Snake wasn't chained up when Volgin punched him out for impersonating Raikov. Volgin did all that with ease too.
Snake took everything Volgin had to give and said nothing. Why?
Because he can resist torture?
And The Boss would not lose to Cyborg Ninja, Mantis, or Liquid. She is way too skilled.
Why do you fanboys think The Boss is PC Karate Kid or Batman?
She knows a few moves...that DOES NOT mean she can beat people leageus stronger and faster than her.
Cyborg Fox can dodge around shots from an autocannon and hold up MG REX'S leg.
The Boss has NOTHING on that level of power and her pitiful "BASIC" (as she herself said) skills won't save her.
\She was supposed to lose to snake or her mission would've been considered a failure by the US. She was not permitted to come back alive either way. She had to die.
And the area was going to be bombed...so she was gonna die either way.
Fail.
And N. Snake doesn't feel that he surpassed The Boss neither, he said that in MGPO.
Symbolic hero worship for his mentor.
So your wrong in thinking that BB is better. You don't understand why The Boss is the best.
Maybe because she's not. Not even close.
You talk about Vamp's speed. How do you think Raiden was able beat him then
As Vamp said, Raiden's muscles were different so he couldn't predict his moves.
Not like THe Boss could take PSG-1 rounds to the forehead and come back anyway.....
Nothing is absolute, and power can't always trump Skill. Snake or The Boss can do the same thing also. The Boss, Solid Snake, and BB all have no powers. Only exceptional skills. If you understood MGS. You would know that skill>>>>>powers all the time. And don't wast your time posting videos of MG2 or any MGS game. You can't imagine how many times I've seen them through playing the games.
Skill >>>> powers in the MGSverse. Not versus debates on here.
I don't give a shit how skilled you are. If you hit with basic human strength you are not killing someone who survives RPG-7 rounds hitting them.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
..this matters?
Ocelot is at his prime in MGS1 and 2. He's old as shit.No, a coward would have killed Snake with his back turned. Volgin fought Snake and then just decided it be smarter to shoot him.
Smart.Snake wasn't chained up when Volgin punched him out for impersonating Raikov. Volgin did all that with ease too.
Because he can resist torture?
Why do you fanboys think The Boss is PC Karate Kid or Batman?
She knows a few moves...that DOES NOT mean she can beat people leageus stronger and faster than her.
Cyborg Fox can dodge around shots from an autocannon and hold up MG REX'S leg.
The Boss has NOTHING on that level of power and her pitiful "BASIC" (as she herself said) skills won't save her.And the area was going to be bombed...so she was gonna die either way.
Fail.Symbolic hero worship for his mentor.
Maybe because she's not. Not even close.
As Vamp said, Raiden's muscles were different so he couldn't predict his moves.
Not like THe Boss could take PSG-1 rounds to the forehead and come back anyway.....
Skill >>>> powers in the MGSverse. Not versus debates on here.
I don't give a shit how skilled you are. If you hit with basic human strength you are not killing someone who survives RPG-7 rounds hitting them.
Snake didn't fight back because he thought The Boss would join in and help Volgin. In their second fight Volgin ordered Ocelot to shoot Snake because he was losing and he's a coward. Because a real man would've pulled the trigger himself. And their second battle take a lot away from anything Volgin did to Snake earlier. And you only seen The Boss use a few move because she didn't have to do much to get the job done. That's what CQC is all about. Thank for this comment "And the area was going to be bombed...so she was gonna die either way. Fail". Thank you. You've only prove my point that her mission was to give her life in order to stop the cold war from becoming a hot one. Snake was supposed to kill her while Ocelot (ADAM) got the real microfilm containing the data of the Philosopher's Legacy. He was supervising The Boss's mission. And BB being in his late 50s matters a lot. Solid would have no chance against a younger BB. And you're wrong about your comment "Skill >>>> powers in the MGSverse. Not versus debates on here" and that's because of characters like Batman, who prove that skill>>>>>Powers. Yes Raiden is difficult for Vamp to predict. But that doesn't mean the Snake or The Boss couldn't beat Vamp. If Snake can fight against the Ninja he can take on Vamp so can the Boss. She is a lot better than Raiden. Try a little harder next time.
Snake didn't fight back because he thought The Boss would join in and help Volgin.
The Boss was getting ready to leave and did leave shortly after Volgin began pummeling Snake.
Volgin ordered Ocelot to shoot Snake because he was losing and he's a coward. Because a real man would've pulled the trigger himself
I don't believe he had a gun on him at this point.
Thank you. You've only prove my point that her mission was to give her life in order to stop the cold war from becoming a hot one.
So she had absolutely no reason to hold back because she was gonna die and serve her purpose either way.
And BB being in his late 50s matters a lot. Solid would have no chance against a younger BB.
Says who? He's beaten people stronger and tougher than Big Boss.
If Snake can fight against the Ninja he can take on Vamp so can the Boss.
I didn't realize A>B>C logic was allowed here.
Nevermind it's not even that simple since there's no proof The Boss is on par with Solid Snake.
Snake has the feats to show he's superior to The Boss. Feats like destroying multiple Metal Gears, taking down a HIND-D that destroyed two F-16s and more. The Boss? She used some basic hand-to-hand combat.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
The Boss was getting ready to leave and did leave shortly after Volgin began pummeling Snake.I don't believe he had a gun on him at this point.
So she had absolutely no reason to hold back because she was gonna die and serve her purpose either way.
Says who? He's beaten people stronger and tougher than Big Boss.
I didn't realize A>B>C logic was allowed here.
Nevermind it's not even that simple since there's no proof The Boss is on par with Solid Snake.
Snake has the feats to show he's superior to The Boss. Feats like destroying multiple Metal Gears, taking down a HIND-D that destroyed two F-16s and more. The Boss? She used some basic hand-to-hand combat.
The Boss is the reason the USA and it's allies won WW1&2. She gave birth to the US Special Forces. She is a legend. And logically Snake would not defeat BB in his prime. In MGS3 BB has gone through more punishment than Solid has ever faced before and comes out on top. Everything that Snake is, he gets it from BB. Snake is BB, just younger basically. You really show disrespect to BB by even thinking that Snake would defeat him if he is in his prime. Do you understand just who the**** BB is? And BB is a creation of The Boss in a way. BB knows better than me, you, or anyone that he wasn't better than The Boss. To think that Solid Snake is beyond The Boss is a joke.
Originally posted by thadarknite84I think that Big Boss eventually does surpass The Boss. Just not in MGS3. Probably after defeating Gene and the Fox unit.
The Boss is the reason the USA and it's allies won WW1&2. She gave birth to the US Special Forces. She is a legend. And logically Snake would not defeat BB in his prime. In MGS3 BB has gone through more punishment than Solid has ever faced before and comes out on top. Everything that Snake is, he gets it from BB. Snake is BB, just younger basically. You really show disrespect to BB by even thinking that Snake would defeat him if he is in his prime. Do you understand just who the**** BB is? And BB is a creation of The Boss in a way. BB knows better than me, you, or anyone that he wasn't better than The Boss. To think that Solid Snake is beyond The Boss is a joke.
Originally posted by thadarknite84when Snake first beat BB he was a rookie so it wasn't exactly a fair fight for him either. he was facing the greatest soldier as a rookie.
Snake surpassed a BB that was already in his late 50s. Smart? Try a coward instead. Volgin is only tough when somebody is chained up. Snake took everything Volgin had to give and said nothing. Why? Because The Boss trained him not to break. And The Boss would not lose to Cyborg Ninja, Mantis, or Liquid. She is way too skilled. She was supposed to lose to snake or her mission would've been considered a failure by the US. She was not permitted to come back alive either way. She had to die. And N. Snake doesn't feel that he surpassed The Boss neither, he said that in MGPO. So your wrong in thinking that BB is better. You don't understand why The Boss is the best. You talk about Vamp's speed. How do you think Raiden was able beat him then. Nothing is absolute, and power can't always trump Skill. Snake or The Boss can do the same thing also. The Boss, Solid Snake, and BB all have no powers. Only exceptional skills. If you understood MGS. You would know that skill>>>>>powers all the time. And don't wast your time posting videos of MG2 or any MGS game. You can't imagine how many times I've seen them through playing the games.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
when Snake first beat BB he was a rookie so it wasn't exactly a fair fight for him either. he was facing the greatest soldier as a rookie.
you're forgetting that he was in no different position than BB was in when he took on the "Virtuous Mission" and "Operation Snake Eater". That was BB's first jungle infiltration mission without any weapons or food. And the odd were always against him. The difference is that Solid Snake faced less hardship than BB and he had more help.