To destroy a Planet

Originally posted by h1a8
Terrax cut a planet in half I like to see. Proof.
But isn't the axe a plot device?

SS destroyed a large asteroid in Annihilation (not a planet).

Originally posted by h1a8
That was a large asteroid. Not even a planetoid.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. It is a great feat and nobody's doing it. No herald shows this type of power.

Originally posted by h1a8
Normal levels my a$$.
It's PIS at its finest. This is SS only feat showing this. The other one was just a bunch of rocks clump up no bigger than a small asteroid. Terrax's and BRB's ones were PIS too (I want to see the BRB one though).

Causing a sun to supernova is a garage feat. Even people on Star Trek can do that. All one needs to do is cause a chain reaction in the star.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your argument has some faultiness in it. Here's an example, what if Sentry released all his energy and blew up a good fraction of the galaxy (hence a million exploding suns). Would this be believable? Especially with all the times we have seen Sentry fight at his best and has shown contradictory power?

This is to say that there are other feats which we can infer from that makes it reasonable for someone to do the feat in question. SS has no other feats that shows he has the level of power to blow up a planet. Like for example, Hulk has many insane feats that makes it believable if he did something crazy. SS has none. Superman has several feats that can be inferred from that he can crack a moon (even if he never cracked a moon before).

My argument is not "since SS didn't blow up a planet consistently enough then his feat is PIS". But it is rather "he's never shown that level of power (even when many times fighting at his best) and thus it is PIS".

Regardless of the fact that you argue, but yet have not seen the comics with which you refute and label as PIS (how are you going to argue when you yourself haven't read the material? You lose so much credibility, which is what you have already done)

Let's take your argument for the plain logic of what it is. The silver surfer is a 40 year-old character. Sentry is about 8 years old. Taken to the extreme, your logic dictates that SS's powerset should ONLY be defined by what was introduced in 1968, powers that were subsequently replicated time and time again.

The fact is that surfer has done high-level feats of this nature. he absorbed the energies of an entire star. Red Shift, another herald of galactus, routinely opens black holes (get a hint from his name). Yet you have not read this source material, but argue against it.

I can tell you're someone who is interested in physics or science of some kind, because you dont want to lend credence to concepts that are uncomfortable to you, and in these particular cases, concepts which you have not even seen, but argue against before seeing, and even after seeing the evidence.

you my friend, are incredibly stubborn. but make up your own mind, the facts are the facts, and your disagreements won't change them.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
We must go with the writer's intention?

Writers with whom you disagree, you would dismiss their intentions and label them PIS? Do you know in the latest avengers that Iron man said that sentry has the power of a [B]thousand exploding suns...which power sentry used to reboot iron man's armor after doom overloaded it? clearly, it's hyperbole, unless you want to conjecture that iron man's armor has the power of 1000 exploding suns. [/B]

No you are getting me all wrong. I must learn to writer better.
I wasn't saying that Sentry has the power of 1 million exploding suns or not. I was just saying that sentry having the power of a million exploding suns contradicts everything he has shown. And the writer's intention is what creates PIS. So I should have said that we must go on writer's intention when PIS isn't involved. Otherwise, if PIS is involved, then their intentions are meaningless.

Originally posted by h1a8
No you are getting me all wrong. I must learn to writer better.
I wasn't saying that Sentry has the power of 1 million exploding suns or not. I was just saying that sentry having the power of a million exploding suns contradicts everything he has shown. And the writer's intention is what creates PIS. So I should have said that we must go on writer's intention when PIS isn't involved. Otherwise, if PIS is involved, then their intentions are meaningless.

I agree with that.

But to be clear, what does "everything he has shown" exactly mean? I interpret it to on-panel drawings of sentry feats and displays.

A writer writing in a dialogue box, speaking through spider-man "You're the sentry...who once stalemated Galactus" is complete garbage and directly contradicts "everything he has shown"

If we had seen this on panel, then it's still complete garbage, but is now in the realm of facts.

If we merely quoted a writer saying "terrax destroyed the planet in a fit of rage" or "silver surfer obliterated the world with a gesture" then it's open to debate about whether hyperbole by the writer's hand is at work....as it is they're all on-panel facts. Even if they have NEVER shown such feats before (which is false, as we've been trying to prove), they now enter into the world of facts and *contribute and add* to the definition of a character's powerset.

The sentry was created in 2000. He's not even a decade old. Red shift was created in 1999, and from day one he started creating black holes like hot cakes and cookies.

SS is a 40 year old character, where in his first appearance he was knocked to the ground by a right cross from the Thing.

First appearance of Red Shift>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>first appearance of SS....yet are we to infer that SS is not as powerful as Red Shift, simply because red shift has displayed higher levels of power from inception, whereas SS's power has gradually evolved in its 40 years of existence to keep up with the culture and sophistication of comics readership?

👆 ..

Good post..

Originally posted by Tenebrous
I agree with that.

But to be clear, what does "everything he has shown" exactly mean? I interpret it to on-panel drawings of sentry feats and displays.

A writer writing in a dialogue box, speaking through spider-man "You're the sentry...who once stalemated Galactus" is complete garbage and directly contradicts "everything he has shown"

If we had seen this on panel, then it's still complete garbage, but is now in the realm of facts.

If we merely quoted a writer saying "terrax destroyed the planet in a fit of rage" or "silver surfer obliterated the world with a gesture" then it's open to debate about whether hyperbole by the writer's hand is at work....as it is they're all on-panel facts. Even if they have NEVER shown such feats before (which is false, as we've been trying to prove), they now enter into the world of facts and *contribute and add* to the definition of a character's powerset.

The sentry was created in 2000. He's not even a decade old. Red shift was created in 1999, and from day one he started creating black holes like hot cakes and cookies.

SS is a 40 year old character, where in his first appearance he was knocked to the ground by a right cross from the Thing.

First appearance of Red Shift>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>first appearance of SS....yet are we to infer that SS is not as powerful as Red Shift, simply because red shift has displayed higher levels of power from inception, whereas SS's power has gradually evolved in its 40 years of existence to keep up with the culture and sophistication of comics readership?

Excellent post and well written. 👆👆

Plus, beings weaker than heralds have destroyed planets.

Gladiator one shot a planet.
Drax tore a star apart with his beat hands (but Drax at that point was > than a herald methinks).

In BRB and Stardust's fight they both destroyed a planet and Stardust opened a black hole and a dimensional rift with no effort.

Originally posted by Roldz
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-21.jpg
If this is not a narration, then i dont know what you'd call it 🙄 .

Exactly.. a reaction at the core..

It wasnt a 100 years but rather a few billion years.. I say that feats surpasses destroying a planet..

Well we've shown scans of Surfer blowing up a planet, energy discharge causing blackhole, Heck his destroyed a bunch of planet before after absorbing so much power..
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2833/silversurfer199612022ft5.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2884/silversurfer199612023yp9.jpg
heres another one.. The inciter is a planet size entity/construct..
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-31.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-32.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-33.jpg
He blows it up..
I quess those are all PIS to yah..

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Plus, beings weaker than heralds have destroyed planets.

Gladiator one shot a planet.
Drax tore a star apart with his beat hands (but Drax at that point was > than a herald methinks).

In BRB and Stardust's fight they both destroyed a planet and Stardust opened a black hole and a dimensional rift with no effort.

It took Gladiator multiple hits to ko the planet. And Gladiator isn't under a herald.

And the second stuff you said is already known. I was arguing that these instances are PIS.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
I agree with that.

But to be clear, what does "everything he has shown" exactly mean? I interpret it to on-panel drawings of sentry feats and displays.

A writer writing in a dialogue box, speaking through spider-man "You're the sentry...who once stalemated Galactus" is complete garbage and directly contradicts "everything he has shown"

If we had seen this on panel, then it's still complete garbage, but is now in the realm of facts.

If we merely quoted a writer saying "terrax destroyed the planet in a fit of rage" or "silver surfer obliterated the world with a gesture" then it's open to debate about whether hyperbole by the writer's hand is at work....as it is they're all on-panel facts. Even if they have NEVER shown such feats before (which is false, as we've been trying to prove), they now enter into the world of facts and *contribute and add* to the definition of a character's powerset.

The sentry was created in 2000. He's not even a decade old. Red shift was created in 1999, and from day one he started creating black holes like hot cakes and cookies.

SS is a 40 year old character, where in his first appearance he was knocked to the ground by a right cross from the Thing.

First appearance of Red Shift>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>first appearance of SS....yet are we to infer that SS is not as powerful as Red Shift, simply because red shift has displayed higher levels of power from inception, whereas SS's power has gradually evolved in its 40 years of existence to keep up with the culture and sophistication of comics readership?

I agree. This is the same thing with Thing. If SS continues to show such power then it is very acceptable that he indeed has this level of power.

Originally posted by h1a8
It took Gladiator multiple hits to ko the planet.

Anyway, "I don't like it, it didn't happen!". Such a classic, weak defense. Always entertaining. 🙂

I don't see how it's possible to KO a planet.

Unless it's a living planet like Ego or Mogo

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I don't see how it's possible to KO a planet.

Unless it's a living planet like Ego or Mogo

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Originally posted by h1a8
Okay I missed that. But it doesn't matter as those were just a bunch of rocks clump together.That feat isn't the same as blowing up a solid planet that is mostly atomically bonded.

Originally posted by h1a8
The first feat is obvious shows SS using a plot device. Also, you are using speculation
that blowing up a planet size entity (looks more like 1000ft to me though) is equilvalent to blowing up an actual planet. The second feat,
shows that the board penetrating through causes the techno entity to disrupt. Thus this is a plot device as well. The feat is equivalent to pulling a plug and making the whole thing blow up.

The board charge with PC literally becomes a board bomb which pierce into the core of the Entity and cause it to explode. Similar thing would happen if he does it to a planets core, it would cause the planet to blow up, therefore SS can blow up a planet.. (fyi- core contains massive amount of energy).. Not speculation..

Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't saying that Sentry has the power of 1 million exploding suns or not. I was just saying that sentry having the power of a million exploding suns contradicts everything he has shown. And the writer's intention is what creates PIS. So I should have said that we must go on writer's intention when PIS isn't involved. Otherwise, if PIS is involved, then their intentions are meaningless.

Heralds have been written to have powers beyond human comprehension, possess massive amount of energy sufficient enough to destroy a planet.. There is plenty enough scan posted here to prove this.. Yet you label all this PIS even dough you know close to nothing about this chars.. That is just plain ignorant..

Well this is the crux of the whole thing....the primary purpose of one herald is to locate a planet for big g's meal. A close secondary purpose of a herald is to deal with any and all resistance the planet puts up. big g is not supposed to get his hands dirty at all, until the moment comes to dine. The herald does all the dirty work.....that should come to follow that heralds are imbued with enough of galactus' power cosmic to deal with any defenses that civilizations put in G's path...more often than not it succeeds, as uatu states that up until that point (meaning, up until FF 48) only earth has succeeded in repelling galactus...only earth out of the billions of planets he's consumed. when the herald is defeated or overwhelmed, then g steps in

Originally posted by Roldz
Which is exactly what a planet is 😕 ..
Its held together by its core.. The magnetic field fuse those rocks together, this is why it was narrated as a planet otherwise it would have been narrated as a clump of rock..

he did use a plot device on first scan but what isn't is his ability to absorb massive amount of energy and to discharge it, this has been shown time and time again in his own series.

The board charge with PC literally becomes a board bomb which pierce into the core of the Entity and cause it to explode. Similar thing would happen if he does it to a planets core, it would cause the planet to blow up, therefore SS can blow up a planet.. (fyi- core contains massive amount of energy).. Not speculation..

Good point. Totally agree with u on this.. However you wouldn't know the writer's intention if you have not fallow any of his work would u?

Heralds have been written to have powers beyond human comprehension, possess massive amount of energy sufficient enough to destroy a planet.. There is plenty enough scan posted here to prove this.. Yet you label all this PIS even dough you know close to nothing about this chars.. That is just plain ignorant..

True. Heralds are indeed powerful. It's just that possessing the power to blow up a planet with a mere blast is totally inconsistent with the entire history of these heralds. I would be very hard pressed to accept that a Herald has the power to just sit there and blast a planet into pieces after the many years of reading them in comics. More of these level of feats are needed for me to be a believer. Maybe in the future my view will change.

And what if, in Annihilation, Galactus not only restored SS but granted him much more power than he ever had? This would explain how SS had that type of power.