Originally posted by Master-Borg
it's actually proven EFFECTIVE...however you deemed it PIS, so I guess it's now ineffective
No it was PIS. A shot to the adams apple is not a pressure point. Not to mention the amount of times Logan has taken far worses to the same area with out slowing.
actaully it has been proven to be ineffective.
I deal with it later your nonsenses is a waste of my time.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
Cap doesnt know onehit kills...pressure points are not the same thing. I don't know about Ogun to comment.
Ummm Cap has killed in one hit before.
Cap's skill rivals and is in all likelyhood superior to Daredevil's who can kill with a touch.
Ogun could kill a friggin WATER BUFFALO with a casual slap. Suffice it to say he knows them as well.
Do you just not remember all those dozens of times Wolverine took gas that was instantly dropping regular human beings, ate enough blowfish toxin to kill 20 men and picked his teeth while drinkin a beer, took enough punishment from sabes to kill dozens of normal men?
Wolverine's HF dictates that one hit kill pressure points are not going to do Batman much help. Doesn't help either given that Wolverine has a strict reach advantage here too.
Originally posted by Sado22
you're right, but i was referring to the whole thing about batman being at a real disadvantage against logan. he's taken on the likes of croc and lived and even beaten it. 'twas all i'm saying.
and then there is the bit where DD put logan down with a throat chop. so why not, eh?~Sado
Why not?
Sure... why not....
( Wolverine has a sword plunged into his neck curtousy of The Gorgon; Not only is he still concious, but he's still talking, and as soon as the sword is pryed out he's on his feet at a full sprint to go back and fight Gorgon:
1. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7180/swordpryle5.jpg
2. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4007/swordpry2ji3.jpg
X-23 slices Wolverine's throat open; Not only does Logan not fall down, but then he proceeds to bat her aside and starts talking as soon as she hits the ground.
1. http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9162/x236uo5.png
Wolverine and Sabretooth having already had a knock down drag out brawl start going at it again in the blackbird. They crash, the thing explodes, and they come out the inferno concious and continuing their ferocious fight; Wolverine's practically a walking skeleton but he's still whippin ass:
...
4. http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1259/sabesinfernofight6qy3.jpg
5. http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8025/sabesinfernofight6bxw5.jpg
6. http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/627/sabesinfernofight8qr3.jpg
7. http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1491/sabesinfernofight9no1.jpg
Wolverine pwns Marrow in hand to hand; She cheap shots him in the throat so he just pwns her even worse:
1. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2474/000awr33ff0.jpg
2. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/653/000axdzkct0.jpg
3. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9868/000ayxy6is9.jpg
4. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4190/000az46yee7.jpg
5. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4333/000b02h1bk5.jpg
6. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5690/000b1t85eu7.jpg
7. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9997/000b2xpauh1.jpg
Wolverine as Death uses his cunning to take Kitty down in a close quarters fight; Even after she jabs a blade through his throat:
1. http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3374/kittypride1yp2.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9017/kittypride2rm2.jpg
3. http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/863/kittypride3po2.jpg
4. http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4199/kittyprideagainzr3.jpg
Typhoid Mary
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Wolverine gets set on fire, has his throat slit, and then STILL beats Typhoid Mary, WHILE BLIND:
1. http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2839/typhoidmary1su6.jpg
2. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6604/typhoidmary2au1.jpg
3. http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8233/typhoidmary3xc0.jpg
4. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7533/typhoidmary4dk6.jpg )
Wolverine going down to a an Ennis throat chop in the same story he didn't go down to this:
Wolverine gets shot by Punisher with a rocket launcher, the rocket hits dead on; Logan's a skeleton from his torso to his thighs, he's still concious.
1. http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6300/rocketnu2.jpg
2. http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3319/rocket2zp5.jpg
yeah, that's suitable evidence. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
Why not?Sure... why not....
( Wolverine has a sword plunged into his neck curtousy of The Gorgon; Not only is he still concious, but he's still talking, and as soon as the sword is pryed out he's on his feet at a full sprint to go back and fight Gorgon:
1. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7180/swordpryle5.jpg
2. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4007/swordpry2ji3.jpgX-23 slices Wolverine's throat open; Not only does Logan not fall down, but then he proceeds to bat her aside and starts talking as soon as she hits the ground.
1. http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9162/x236uo5.pngWolverine and Sabretooth having already had a knock down drag out brawl start going at it again in the blackbird. They crash, the thing explodes, and they come out the inferno concious and continuing their ferocious fight; Wolverine's practically a walking skeleton but he's still whippin ass:
...
4. http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1259/sabesinfernofight6qy3.jpg
5. http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8025/sabesinfernofight6bxw5.jpg
6. http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/627/sabesinfernofight8qr3.jpg
7. http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1491/sabesinfernofight9no1.jpgWolverine pwns Marrow in hand to hand; She cheap shots him in the throat so he just pwns her even worse:
1. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2474/000awr33ff0.jpg
2. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/653/000axdzkct0.jpg
3. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9868/000ayxy6is9.jpg
4. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4190/000az46yee7.jpg
5. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4333/000b02h1bk5.jpg
6. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5690/000b1t85eu7.jpg
7. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9997/000b2xpauh1.jpgWolverine as Death uses his cunning to take Kitty down in a close quarters fight; Even after she jabs a blade through his throat:
1. http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3374/kittypride1yp2.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9017/kittypride2rm2.jpg
3. http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/863/kittypride3po2.jpg
4. http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4199/kittyprideagainzr3.jpgTyphoid Mary
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Wolverine gets set on fire, has his throat slit, and then STILL beats Typhoid Mary, WHILE BLIND:
1. http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2839/typhoidmary1su6.jpg
2. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6604/typhoidmary2au1.jpg
3. http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8233/typhoidmary3xc0.jpg
4. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7533/typhoidmary4dk6.jpg )Wolverine going down to a an Ennis throat chop in the same story he didn't go down to this:
Wolverine gets shot by Punisher with a rocket launcher, the rocket hits dead on; Logan's a skeleton from his torso to his thighs, he's still concious.
1. http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6300/rocketnu2.jpg
2. http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3319/rocket2zp5.jpgyeah, that's suitable evidence. 🙄
What's up with the new Wolverine Respect thread, Jinzin? uhuh
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine gets shot by Punisher with a rocket launcher, the rocket hits dead on; Logan's a skeleton from his torso to his thighs, he's still concious.
1. http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6300/rocketnu2.jpg
2. http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3319/rocket2zp5.jpgyeah, that's suitable evidence. 🙄
that's pretty bad PIS.
Just my 2 cents but it seems that wolverine really has way too many high and low showings for any real debates. All the pro-wolverine ppl take the higher ones all the anti-wolverine ppl take the lower ones. And they each call the other's evidence PIS or something.
Just a note though, shouldn't pressure points take a little more skill to perform than just random hits to around that area? Theres pressure points all over the body and in comics anyway they're never hit unless the person is aiming for them.
And just a question, does it actually say DD hit his adam's apple? cus there are pressure points in the neck and simply an inaccurate artist (what artist actually looks up pressure points?) can account for it looking like that. Not to mention comics tend to make up pressure points anywhere to do whatever they want so there actually could be an adam's apple pressure point.
But i don't mean to argue for any side. Wolverine is way too inconsistent. He probably has more crazy feats than the batkick but since he's a mutant people tend to take anything he does as an extension of that (not commenting on how valid this view or the opposite is).
While I believe he has more higher end feats than lower, the extend of the disregard for any laws of physics is a bit too much for a lot of readers, therefore they disregard these feats (like the batkick or black panthers armlock on surfer).
Wolverine fans disregard the lower end feats since they are relatively fewer and the fact that wolverine is continually in situations for around street levellers and for it to be interesting he HAS to be able to be taken down by something less than a planet busting explosion (and therefore they call it PIS). Both views are valid. To me that makes him very hard to debate cus I don't think either side is gonna give and a compromise doesnt' seem possible.
Just my 2 cents. You can carry on.
i used to really like wolverine. then i realized so does everyone and there mother. and some of those folks are comic book writers.
he's written horribly a good deal of the time and thus is one of the most inconsistent characters when it comes to feats.
wolverine can't pop the claws (which is a big deal even if wolverine can fight like all hell), and "standard equipment" you say? this is batman we're talkin about, right? have you seen what he pulls outta that belt? and what about his suit? isn't it reinforced? it should absorb most of the impact from logans' blows.
batman 7/10
It really would be the fight of the century! Batman’s way smarter than Wolverine, but Wolverine’s been fighting way longer and he’s got the healing factor-there’s only so much that Batman could do to him. The only that would Batman back is he wouldn’t kill Wolverine. Wolverine would kill Batman. But if Batman had time, he’d win. Batman is like the good version of Dr. Doom-if he had any time with anything, he could beat anybody. But if it was an ambush, Batman would fight him better that Wolverine’s ever got before-but he’d still go down.
1. Speed is about even as both are able to dodge each other's attacks equally well. Personally I think batman can dodge Logan's attacks better than Logan can dodge batman's attacks. I call this comic intuition.
Nah Logan's actually faster. But I do believe Bruce could defend against Logan's attacks with a combo of skill and speed.
2. Strength is about equal. So this will definitely not play a role in the outcome of the fight.
Logan is definitely stronger from what I've seen of the two. Although Bruce does hit very hard which makes up for the lack of strength.
3. Skills go to Batman. He's more skilled as a martial artist and fighter but Logan is not very far behind. Batman has had far better teachers and training than Logan has had. Plus Logan hasn't shown me the defensive skills to be considered an A grade martial artist such as batman is.
I agree about Bruce being more skilled don't know about the rest.
4. Experience goes to Logan. But Logan has none fighting someone on batman's level. Thus his experience advantage is non-existent here.
Somewhat disagree. We've seen Logan defeat elite fighters similar to Batman in skill before. But at the same time I don't think Logan's ever fought anyone quite like Batman with his combined skill, intellect, and weaponry.
5. Logan has HV. This could be the deciding factor here.
For batman to win he must most certainly hit Logan with a pressure point strike rendering him unconscience or hit Logan with a combo that leads to a ko. This would be very hard to do but possible with batman's skills.
I agree that Bruce can win about 2 or 3 times this way hth but the majority of the time it wouldn't work in Bruce's favor since I've seen Logan stand up to lethal nerve strikes before and continue to fight. Matter of fact, in some cases it only made him angry. Overall, Logan's own martial arts skill combined with his healing factor and physical stats make him too tough for Bruce in a prolonged hth contest most of the time but certainly not every time.
6. In second fight, it is batman's belt vs. Logan's claws. I believe Logan wins this (unless gas can ko him).
Strongly disagree as Bruce does indeed have the weaponry to defeat Logan especially with his HF not as powerful as it was. However, it would be a close fight.
IMO:
1. Wolverine 7-8/10
2. Batman 5-6/10
Originally posted by bobbiWhen you're right you're right:
Just my 2 cents but it seems that wolverine really has way too many high and low showings for any real debates. All the pro-wolverine ppl take the higher ones all the anti-wolverine ppl take the lower ones. And they each call the other's evidence PIS or something.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
[QUOTE=10367824]Originally posted by Master-Borg
[B]it's actually proven EFFECTIVE...however you deemed it PIS, so I guess it's now ineffective
Originally posted by Master-Borg
[QUOTE=10368113]Originally posted by jinzin
[B]Wolverine gets shot by Punisher with a rocket launcher, the rocket hits dead on; Logan's a skeleton from his torso to his thighs, he's still concious.
1. http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6300/rocketnu2.jpg
2. http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3319/rocket2zp5.jpg
Also Master-Borg are you going to be selctive about that piece of work? The Throat chop is plausible, but the being reduced to a skeleton is not, same guy, same story?
Is the throat chop that goes against all the events listed better than the skeleton reduced thing which has also sort of happened before?
Originally posted by BattlehammerFreeze capsules, gas grenades, smoke bombs, electric batarangs, exploding batarangs, nets, Batmobile, etc. But this changes from time to time. I think the question is do any of those things put Logan down for a KO or disable him long enough for a win? The thing with Bat's is if he meets and opponent he can't put down he's apt to retreat and study his opponent for a weakness.
still trying to sigure out what standard weapons batman carriers around that gives him the advantage in a none prep fight vs wolverine.
Originally posted by Badabing
Freeze capsules, gas grenades, smoke bombs, electric batarangs, exploding batarangs, nets, Batmobile, etc. But this changes from time to time. I think the question is do any of those things put Logan down for a KO or disable him long enough for a win? The thing with Bat's is if he meets and opponent he can't put down he's apt to retreat and study his opponent for a weakness.
