POD Bane vs ROTS Obi Wan

Started by Darth Exodus3 pages

There is absolutely no way that Obi-wan could win in any of the scenarios.

LOL@Noobaris telling other people that simple points are out of their grasp. If this is the case then what does that say about your lack of intelligence, originality, social life, etc..

Am I to assume that your post was directed at me? If so than let me remind you that everything that needs to be said have been said, I have nothing further to contribute to the discussion because I know that it's not even a real argument.
Bane pwn's Ken sh*tless. It's barely even a fight.
Unless of course Bane chokes with laughter, Kenobi drown's in agony and his own ineptitude. Absolute Rape.

No I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to the other idiot.

I don't think it will be as easy a fight as you think, at least not at sabers. In wookiepedia, it clearly stated that obi wan was one of the best swordsmen the order has ever seen. Also, it says that a master of soresu will have an invincible defense, and trap the enemy in their own offense. I think obi wan will win with sabers.

There is a slight issue that relates to not only this thread, but many others like it. While moving 'faster than the eye can see' is impressive, I'm beginning to doubt that it should be put on such a high plateau, especially when it is one of the primary reasons for arguing in favor of one opponent. I was just going back through the Revenge of the Sith novelization and it confirms that General Grievous's Magnaguards can move "faster than the eye can see" according to the omniscient narrator (just before Obi-Wan defeats them); though the Magnaguards are highly lethal and expertly trained in all seven modes of lightsaber combat (thus more than a match for the vast majority of most droids and non-Force users), they are still just droids. If they can move faster than the eye can see, it's a reasonable expectation that any Jedi or Sith Lord with anything approaching a decent connection to the Force can move similarly.

That's pretty interesting the novels would need to say how much faster than the normal can see for it to be a very impressive feat rather than impressive. I'm going to go back to read that.

The point is that "moving faster than the eye can see" is not good enough reason for someone to beat another person.

Instantly, the box of bodyguards around Obi-Wan filled with crackling elecrostaffs, whipping faster than the human eye could see -- which was less troublesome than it might have been for that box was already empty of Jedi.

-- Revenge of the Sith, page 285

And though it isn't relevant, I'd like to point out that two new observations can be made about Darth Maul and Mace Windu -- they are masters of multiple forms.

Similarly, "Fight Saber: Jedi Lightsaber Combat" identifies Maul as a master of Form VII, which is only possible for "high-level masters of multiple Forms,"

Also, in Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, it says that Maul moves his lightsaber so fast that it looks like a Crimson Shield. So, yeah they need to say how much faster than the human eye.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Also, in Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, it says that Maul moves his lightsaber so fast that it looks like a Crimson Shield. So, yeah they need to say how much faster than the human eye.
In Episode I Journal: Darth Maul, [Sidious] demonstrated the ability to "move faster than [Darth Maul's] eye can follow," and wielded a lightsaber with such precision that [Sidious] traced Maul's outline with its blade so closely that "one flinch, one involuntary twitch of a muscle" would have killed [Maul].

That's just great, now can we get back on topic?

Okay. That really shows how frigging' fast Sidious can move his blade, but I don't really see why you quoted me before saying that.

skywalker833, this is on topic. PoD states that Bane can move his lightsaber faster than the eye can see. This topic is Bane vs. Obi-Wan. Everything we're discussing is relevant.

Sorry, have read the book for a while. Anyways, even if he can move his blade faster than the eye can see, Obi Wan can parry anything 20 hits or less per second.

Another good point.

Also, Obi wan can just trap bane in his own attack, as i stated before, and take him out. Probably easier said than done, but he can do it.

Okay. That really shows how frigging' fast Sidious can move his blade, but I don't really see why you quoted me before saying that.

To show that Bane's particular level of speed isn't unique at all.

Originally posted by Gideon
To show that Bane's particular level of speed isn't unique at all.

So, you were doing the same thing that I was doing when I mentioned Maul's speed?

Originally posted by darthsith19
So, you were doing the same thing that I was doing when I mentioned Maul's speed?

Bingo.

So anyways, sounds like it would go like this:
1. Obi Wan

2. Bane

3. Bane

All of you are ignoring/missing four fundamental points.

1. Bane was able to move at speeds beyond that of which the eyes of powerful Force users like Kas'im can see.

2. He was described as moving so fast that time seemed to freeze, indicating that his speed went far beyond what the present Force users were capable of following.

3. It was his entire body that moved at such speeds, not just his lightsaber.

4. The feat in question was performed midway through PoD, before Bane had even gained Darth Revan's holocron, and he grows far more powerful by the end of the book.

So yeah, nothing that's been said changes the uniqueness behind Bane's display of speed. It's beyond compare, and this at a time where Bane's power had yet to skyrocket.