POD Bane vs ROTS Obi Wan

Started by Gideon3 pages

Originally posted by IKP
All of you are ignoring/missing four fundamental points.

1. Bane was able to move at speeds beyond that of which the eyes of powerful Force users like Kas'im can see.

2. He was described as moving so fast that time seemed to freeze, indicating that his speed went far beyond what the present Force users were capable of following.

3. It was his entire body that moved at such speeds, not just his lightsaber.

4. The feat in question was performed midway through PoD, before Bane had even gained Darth Revan's holocron, and he grows far more powerful by the end of the book.

So yeah, nothing that's been said changes the uniqueness behind Bane's display of speed. It's beyond compare, and this at a time where Bane's power had yet to skyrocket.

Prove that refining one's Force ability leads to refinement in speed. Prove that the passage -- especially the one about time freezing -- is not an example of hyperbole. Prove that Bane's ability relative to Kas'im is greater than Sidious appearing as "a blur" to Anakin Skywalker, whose connection and power in the Force is truly beyond compare, or any of the aforementioned citations of speed.

Once you do, we'll talk about Bane and his special status.

Have you not been looking at this whole thread? Are you bane's girlfriend or something? These are all questions we would like to know. Obviously, Obi-Wan has amazing skills with the lightsaber and you fail to see that.

Originally posted by IKP
All of you are ignoring/missing four fundamental points.

1. Bane was able to move at speeds beyond that of which the eyes of powerful Force users like Kas'im can see.

2. He was described as moving so fast that time seemed to freeze, indicating that his speed went far beyond what the present Force users were capable of following.

3. It was his entire body that moved at such speeds, not just his lightsaber.

4. The feat in question was performed midway through PoD, before Bane had even gained Darth Revan's holocron, and he grows far more powerful by the end of the book.

So yeah, nothing that's been said changes the uniqueness behind Bane's display of speed. It's beyond compare, and this at a time where Bane's power had yet to skyrocket.

Originally posted by darthsith19

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Originally posted by darthsith19
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Originally posted by Gideon
Prove that refining one's Force ability leads to refinement in speed.

That's like asking one to prove that developing one's muscles leads to an increase in one's physical strength.

As I've explained to you before, the ability to enhance your speed with the Force is one of the many different Force abilities there are, and like all of the others, it relies on a Force user's ability with manipulating the power source that said ability derives from (force strength + mastery).

This is further cemented by the correlation there is between powerful Force user, and great ability to enhance your speed, as an be seen with the likes of Sidious, Yoda, Luke Skywalker, Mace Windu, Darth Sion etc. Not that this is at all really necessary, as the very nature of of the Force itself would tell you as much, as I explained above.

It's pretty conclusive that the more powerful the Force user, the greater the ability to enhance one's speed is, and by extension, developing your ability with the Force in general (which Bane did by leaps and bounds following his display against Sirak), and in turn becoming a greater Force user, would increase your ability to enhance your speed.

Prove that the passage -- especially the one about time freezing -- is not an example of hyperbole.

The first part of the passage, where he's described to move faster than the eyes of all present could see, is not subject to hyperbole. It's directly stated down as a fact.

The second part, about it seeming as if time had frozen, is, but as I've said before, it's not like we can't gauge any knowledge from hyperbolic statements, as they're put there for a reason - we just can't completely take each and every word at face value.

Which is absolutely not what I was doing; as I said, even if it's being exaggerated, it's absolutely conclusive that Bane wasn't just moving slightly too quickly for the eyes of Kas'im and the students to see, he was moving well in excess of such a speed. You can't argue that; hyperbole or not, if it's stated that time appeared to be frozen, the clear, underlying message is that Bane was moving considerably faster than what they would have been able to see, to the point where it seemed as if he were teleporting from one position to another (as that is exactly what it would appear like if time were to have been frozen).

Prove that Bane's ability relative to Kas'im is greater than Sidious appearing as "a blur" to Anakin Skywalker,

I generally don't compare apples and oranges, Escape, and you asking me this, here, after I was talking solely about speed comes across as a tad bit odd.

Anyways, the exact part of the RotS novelisation you're referring to is invalid in this case, because as the movie shows us, Anakin didn't arrive until Mace and Sidious' duel had ended. That Anakin was able to see them fighting contradicts the movies.

whose connection and power in the Force is truly beyond compare,

Which is what you'd call irrelevant misdirection. His force connection alone doesn't mean anything until you can substantiate how much of it was realised. Based on his individual displays, and performances against other Force users (being stalemated by Obi-Wan, and overpowered by Dooku), we can logically assume that not too much of it was.

or any of the aforementioned citations of speed.

Again, you're asking me to compare a dueling accomplishment to several displays of speed. Don't be silly, you're replying to a post that was talking solely about speed - keep the discussion relevant and stop bringing forth these absurd comparisons.

Anyway, Obi wan can block nearly any move bane throws at him. Bane beats him up with the force and wins. Its a done deal.

Anyway, Obi wan can block nearly any move bane throws at him.

He didn't seem to block Dooku's kick to the chops that well, or Grevious' backhand. I seriously think that Kenobi's defence is vastly overrated, only working on Anakin becuase of how stupid he was being.

However it should be noted that although Bane cream's him with the force, he isn't to be underestimated in that area. He was able to match Anakin's force push in their duel. Anakin who, when very weak, can crush Palpatines vertually indestructable medical centre.

In his duel with Anakin in ROTS, he also fails to block a few kicks and almost gets chokes th death by Anakin when their in the Mustafar Control Room.

Originally posted by darthsith19
In his duel with Anakin in ROTS, he also fails to block a few kicks and almost gets chokes th death by Anakin when their in the Mustafar Control Room.

To be quite fair, Anakin is unique in the sense that, unlike virtually everyone else, the longer a duel progresses, the more ferocious Anakin becomes.

Originally posted by darthsith19
In his duel with Anakin in ROTS, he also fails to block a few kicks and almost gets chokes th death by Anakin when their in the Mustafar Control Room.

Obi wan's style is to protect himself from a lightsaber, not punches or kicks.