Originally posted by Master-Borg
whatever...I thought it was funny
You have a wierd senses of humor.
That would be like seeing some one eat an apple one day. Then see them again eating an apple a couple months later.............thats not funny..........
and yet you find it amusing. It actually fun that you find something so just not funnying to be funny.
Careful, he'll insult you and get you riled up, and when you respond in kind hes the first one to report you, EVERY time. I didnt even begin to lay into him and he was slamming that report to mods button. Some people just cant take it OR dish it out apparently.
Anyway, this fight is basically degenerating into the typical Spidey vs Wolverine threads, which traditionally go on forever anyway.
Originally posted by jinzinI see what you mean. I hope they're not trying to say they can't hurt him if they hit him. & Wolvie'd likely be stabbing, not striking & that's gonna sting alot more'n a punch if it lands. I have seen Venom knock Spidey TFO though. Have Cap or Wolvie ever fought Spidey & hit him so hard or so on-point that it knocked him TFO? I'd also say that the odds of Venom punching Spidey are higher than them p.pointing him 'cuz they still have to get around the Sense.
lol ragdoll..Not harder or farther, just that the damage he causes will be more efficient. I would expect people of Cap and Wolverine's caliber to know that trying to win a straight slug fest with Spiderman wouldn't be a smart idea, unless Logan's strictly relying on his HF and bones to get him to draw the Spider into exhausting himself.
In terms of landing blows though, I imagine that Venom, smart though he may be spent most of his career just swingin for the fences when it came to spidey. Logan and Steve though would naturally be looking for sweet spots to connect on Parker. They're more adept at finding them and hitting them in a fight than Venom who is for all intents and purposes a brawler.
I simply don't see "he takes punches from Venom" as a suitable rebuttal to Cap or Logan damaging him with h2h strikes.
On a side note, after seeing what Spidey did to Fisk recently I was thinking the days of MArtists beating on him were over, but after this "start over" thing, I'm not sure that even happened 😕 The guys been fighting grown men damn near constantly (including a good enough number of MAs) since he was like 15. MA or not, he should know what works & what don't.
Originally posted by brainchild81
I see what you mean. I hope they're not trying to say they can't hurt him if they hit him. & Wolvie'd likely be stabbing, not striking & that's gonna sting alot more'n a punch if it lands. I have seen Venom knock Spidey TFO though. Have Cap or Wolvie ever fought Spidey & hit him so hard or so on-point that it knocked him TFO? I'd also say that the odds of Venom punching Spidey are higher than them p.pointing him 'cuz they still have to get around the Sense.On a side note, after seeing what Spidey did to Fisk recently I was thinking the days of MArtists beating on him were over, but after this "start over" thing, I'm not sure that even happened 😕 The guys been fighting grown men damn near constantly (including a good enough number of MAs) since he was like 15. MA or not, he should know what works & what don't.
Spiderman has to lose to MA, it makes so much sense, because the spidersense can cope to the speed of punches. 😉
Originally posted by redhotrash
Careful, he'll insult you and get you riled up, and when you respond in kind hes the first one to report you, EVERY time. I didnt even begin to lay into him and he was slamming that report to mods button. Some people just cant take it OR dish it out apparently.
Anyway, this fight is basically degenerating into the typical Spidey vs Wolverine threads, which traditionally go on forever anyway.
Oh an did not touch the report botten onces. Ask the mods.
Other individiuals are reporting you due to your awful debating and pointless unneeded insulting.
Is he dishing it out? I have a hard time translating what hes saying most of the time....
Now far be it from me to get in a bickering match with a ignorant narc, especially on a topic like Wolverine vs Spider-man that so many people smarter than him were unable to agree on, let me point out a few things.
Those debates nearly always kept in mind that Wolverine would have his claws. He doesnt in this particular fight. This is also assuming it comes down to Wolverine vs Spidey, which also isnt definate since Batman and Capt both stand a better chance at taking out Wolverine than they do Spider-man.
A popular argument is that Spidey dodges machine gun fire casually, so he should be able to avoid strikes from Wolverine and the others. I agree with this. Hes also stronger than the other 3 combined. Hes faster as well, this is not debatable.
Some "other" people on here might spend the next 45 minutes rooting through their collection to post a scan of Wolverine "speed blitzing" some mercanaries, who comment that he moved faster than they could see. Does this mean superspeed is part of Wolverine's powerset? Ask the right person and sure it does. However I'd like to credit it more as a writer taking liberties with a character and maybe not thinking it all the way through. Much like him apparently not needing joints to move.
Originally posted by brainchild81
I see what you mean. I hope they're not trying to say they can't hurt him if they hit him. & Wolvie'd likely be stabbing, not striking & that's gonna sting alot more'n a punch if it lands. I have seen Venom knock Spidey TFO though. Have Cap or Wolvie ever fought Spidey & hit him so hard or so on-point that it knocked him TFO? I'd also say that the odds of Venom punching Spidey are higher than them p.pointing him 'cuz they still have to get around the Sense.On a side note, after seeing what Spidey did to Fisk recently I was thinking the days of MArtists beating on him were over, but after this "start over" thing, I'm not sure that even happened 😕 The guys been fighting grown men damn near constantly (including a good enough number of MAs) since he was like 15. MA or not, he should know what works & what don't.
That's the impression I was getting from the argument.
Well, we have seen Daredevil drop Spiderman with a dozen punches, Cap had him numb everywhere below the waiste with three, Wolverine and Spiderman have yet to really go fisticuffs.
Lol, maybe, it might just be a point of CIS for him though, I know people who've been training in MA for 10 years, and they still freak when a real punch gets sent their way.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Is he dishing it out? I have a hard time translating what hes saying most of the time....
Now far be it from me to get in a bickering match with a ignorant narc, especially on a topic like Wolverine vs Spider-man that so many people smarter than him were unable to agree on, let me point out a few things.
Those debates nearly always kept in mind that Wolverine would have his claws. He doesnt in this particular fight. This is also assuming it comes down to Wolverine vs Spidey, which also isnt definate since Batman and Capt both stand a better chance at taking out Wolverine than they do Spider-man.
A popular argument is that Spidey dodges machine gun fire casually, so he should be able to avoid strikes from Wolverine and the others. I agree with this. Hes also stronger than the other 3 combined. Hes faster as well, this is not debatable.
Some "other" people on here might spend the next 45 minutes rooting through their collection to post a scan of Wolverine "speed blitzing" some mercanaries, who comment that he moved faster than they could see. Does this mean superspeed is part of Wolverine's powerset? Ask the right person and sure it does. However I'd like to credit it more as a writer taking liberties with a character and maybe not thinking it all the way through. Much like him apparently not needing joints to move.
I think Srank hit the nail on the head when he said "Captain America's about as human as my vacuum cleaner."
We have no idea how fast a peak human would be, or an ehanced human. We've seen some people in the real world that do move faster than the eye can register and they're nowhere close to peak human.
That said, it's not really your place to discredit what a character does because that's not what YOU THINK he or she should be able to to do.
Spiderman's only things he's got going for him in a hand to hand fight are his SS and his strength. His speed is not nor has ever proven to be so great that it would make any difference in this fight.
The only way Wolverine would be an easier target than Spiderman is with his healing factor removed. Sans that, Cap and Bats would have an easier time taking it to Peter. And frankly, Cap HAS had an easier time taking it to Peter, when Peter was physically more threatening than he is now.
Peter can dodge the calibur of punches being thrown his way from Bats, Cap, AND Logan because he dodges bullets? If that where the case everyone from Moonknight to Daredevil to even Batman and Cap would be untouchable in h2h fights... That's not the case, and it's never BEEN the case for Spiderman either. Not since his third comic issue, not ever.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Is he dishing it out? I have a hard time translating what hes saying most of the time....
Well at leas you gave up your Logan only peak-human strength and can’t lift more then 2000 pounds garbage.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Now far be it from me to get in a bickering match with a ignorant narc, especially on a topic like Wolverine vs Spider-man that so many people smarter than him were unable to
Originally posted by redhotrash
agree on, let me point out a few things.
Those debates nearly always kept in mind that Wolverine would have his claws. He doesnt in this particular fight.
Originally posted by redhotrash
This is also assuming it comes down to Wolverine vs Spidey, which also isnt definate since Batman and Capt both stand a better chance at taking out Wolverine than they do Spider-man.
Originally posted by redhotrash
A popular argument is that Spidey dodges machine gun fire casually, so he should be able to avoid strikes from Wolverine and the others.
Also given this logic Spiderman would be unable to hit them as well, becuases Batman, Captain America and Wolverine have prove they can dodge machine gun firer as well.
Originally posted by redhotrash
I agree with this
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Originally posted by redhotrash
Hes also stronger than the other 3 combined.
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Originally posted by redhotrash
Hes faster as well, this is not debatable.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Some "other" people on here might spend the next 45 minutes rooting through their collection to post a scan of Wolverine "speed blitzing" some mercanaries, who comment that he moved faster than they could see. Does this mean superspeed is part of Wolverine's powerset? Ask the right person and sure it does. However I'd like to credit it more as a writer taking liberties with a character and maybe not thinking it all the way through. Much like him apparently not needing joints to move.
Hell in his first appearances he was stated with “astounding speed”
Here Wolverine moving faster then special opt train soldiers who are trained to take out a Super Human who had super human physical abilities failed to see him move.
http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev106817ff1fh1.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev106818yp8id6.jpg
Here Wolverine dodging energy blasts from a meta human showing his speed.
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energydodge3vl4fp2.jpg
Logan reacting and keeping up with speed demon
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strategydz6wt5.jpg
Wolverine dodging a bullet after it was firer behind him.
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv2133p04oy5.jpg
Wolverine dodging missile while charging a helicopter
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine1618qu4dy8.jpg
hyper reflex speed.
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hyerspeedlo1av2.jpg
Wolverine vanishes
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinevanishsg7.jpg
It only took around 5 minutes at best and I sorry, but I for one like to uses facts and evidences rather then talk out of my ass like some people I know.
Originally posted by jinzin
I think Srank hit the nail on the head when he said "Captain America's about as human as my vacuum cleaner."We have no idea how fast a peak human would be, or an ehanced human. We've seen some people in the real world that do move faster than the eye can register and they're nowhere close to peak human.
That said, it's not really your place to discredit what a character does because that's not what YOU THINK he or she should be able to to do.Spiderman's only things he's got going for him in a hand to hand fight are his SS and his strength. His speed is not nor has ever proven to be so great that it would make any difference in this fight.
The only way Wolverine would be an easier target than Spiderman is with his healing factor removed. Sans that, Cap and Bats would have an easier time taking it to Peter. And frankly, Cap HAS had an easier time taking it to Peter, when Peter was physically more threatening than he is now.
Peter can dodge the calibur of punches being thrown his way from Bats, Cap, AND Logan because he dodges bullets? If that where the case everyone from Moonknight to Daredevil to even Batman and Cap would be untouchable in h2h fights... That's not the case, and it's never BEEN the case for Spiderman either. Not since his third comic issue, not ever.
The fact is that Spiderman has reflexes/speed well beyond the range attainable for a human (at least x15). Cap is the pinacle of human, as opposed to superhuman, in his physical attributes. Bats is a highly trained HUMAN. That means that Spiderman has a considerable speed advantage over the two, enhanced by his spider sense. He will land more hits on them than they will on him-and he is many times stronger than both so his hits will cause them a whole lot of damage.
As I've stated before, it will come down to Spiderman v Wolverine.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
in terms of handicaps, I think Wolverine loses the most without the use of his claws
spiderman loses of webbings is huge.
capt shield and batmans loses of belt are worses then Logan loses of claws, becuases they do not have the ability of a healing factor.
Originally posted by BattlehammerYes and spiderman does not have his webbing which was the only way he could win vs Logan.
Logan's claws are far more useful to Logan in a melee battle than Spiderman's webbing is.
Also, it's true that Cap and Batman will have a much easier time nailing Logan than Spiderman.
Spiderman is hard for them to catch if he wants to evade, he's faster, more agile, and jumps MUCH higher and further than Logan.
