Wow..obviously a bias statement.
2 people better than 3 you say? Malkin is shaping up to become a great player with the potential of scoring the most goals and assists during a regular season, but 3 pros are better than 2 rookies. Unless you're saying that the combined points for both Malkin and Crosby are more than the trio, which is false. I think the Sens chemistry is a bit more developed than the Malkin and Crosby chemistry wouldn't you?
Goaltending was never really strong in Ottawa, but they somehow got to the Stanley Cup final last year. If a team can get to the Stanley Cup Final with poor goaltending doesn't that also say a lot about a team?
"Are" agreed, the Sens "had" much better rookies than Pens though.
What I said was hopefully the Pens don't become what the Sens have turned into this season. "A losing team."
Malkin and Crosby are better than 3 combined. Ask somebody if they would rather have the "Cash" line over Malkin and Crosby. I wouldnt be surprised if they chose the Pens duo. With those two players, they make the whole team better because they are insanely dangerous 1 on 1, are pure playmakers and can score anytime. They dont need to work together to make the team better. Ottawa though, not so much. And give the Pens duo a bit of credit. I'm pretty sure those "rookies", the one who has the Hart Trophy, and the other who is probably going to get it are pro's.
Yeah, goaltending doesnt matter in the playoffs....it never does. Just ask the Ottawa Senators how many times they've been kicked out of the playoffs in the past 8 years, early even. They made it last year on the back of a brilliant Ray Emery. This year, the only reason they even made the playoffs is because Gerber was decent.
I think the rookies that the Pens have are better than anything that Ottawa has. Its more of opinion than actual fact, but Ottawa hasnt really gotten any great new talent outside of some decent grinders. Spezza is the only great talent that they have produced in awhile.
As I've stated many times, I don't watch hockey but have seen all the Pens games in the playoffs. I root for them because I'm a die-hard Steelers fan.
After the first period and a half in Game 1, I was like, "Whoa, this Philly team is light years tougher than the Rangers and Sens." The Pens couldn't get any shots off and had trouble in their own zone.
That being said, the Flyers have absolutely sucked it up ever since. I'm more worried that the Pens won't complete their five-pass play than when the Flyers have offensive control of the puck! I know Philly's short a few players, but I remember half of the Canes players were skating on 1 leg (a.k.a. Eric Staal) a few years back and still scrapped to a championship. The Rangers had superb goaltending despite a subpar team. However, all you have to do is fling it at the net against Biron and it has a decent chance of going in!
NBC is PRAYING that the Stars and Flyers can actually show up tonight and tomorrow. They have Saturday and Sunday booked for Game 5's. Given the dominance the Wings and Pens have displayed, looks like NBC needs to get those World Figure Skating videotapes ready.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Malkin and Crosby are better than 3 combined. Ask somebody if they would rather have the "Cash" line over Malkin and Crosby. I wouldnt be surprised if they chose the Pens duo. With those two players, they make the whole team better because they are insanely dangerous 1 on 1, are pure playmakers and can score anytime. They dont need to work together to make the team better. Ottawa though, not so much. And give the Pens duo a bit of credit. I'm pretty sure those "rookies", the one who has the Hart Trophy, and the other who is probably going to get it are pro's.Yeah, goaltending doesnt matter in the playoffs....it never does. Just ask the Ottawa Senators how many times they've been kicked out of the playoffs in the past 8 years, early even. They made it last year on the back of a brilliant Ray Emery. This year, the only reason they even made the playoffs is because Gerber was decent.
I think the rookies that the Pens have are better than anything that Ottawa has. Its more of opinion than actual fact, but Ottawa hasnt really gotten any great new talent outside of some decent grinders. Spezza is the only great talent that they have produced in awhile.
Do you have something to support that claim other than your personal opinion? The trio are much more effective in game, as most of the goals and assists each game come from them. The trio have more points, goals, and assists than both Malkin and Crosby. Yeah, they are dangerous on a 1v1, but so what, the Sens players are also. If you allow, say Alfredsson to go one-on-one with a defensemen there is a very strong chance he will get past him. Same with Spezza, or do I need to show you some Youtube clips of Spezza one-on-one goals? Heatley I think is the weaker of the three, but he still has enough skill to be a pivotal factor in any game. Plus, like I mentioned they play well with one another. The chemistry is far more developed on the Sens side making the three far more effective and far more dangerous. I'm not saying the duo is any less dangerous though, because it's clear that they are a force to be reckoned with.
Did you watch the playoffs last year? Emery was a poor goaltender! I think goaltending has been so bad throughout the Sens history that when they finally got to the playoffs they overexaggerated Emery's effectivness. Take this from a Sens fan. Oh and btw, I never said goaltending doesn't matter in the playoffs, I said that for the "Sens" it doesn't seem goaltending matters much because they are a well-rounded team both offensively and defensively.
I agree, once again look what I wrote. I think the Pens have better rookie talent too, but I'm not comparing the teams as they stand now. I'm saying that the Sens team from the past had comparable, if not better rookie talent than the Pens and look what happened.
Sorry, like I said before, I rather have Crosby and Malkin than the Sens three. I dont really care about points because obviously they do have more points because its 3 people, but I'm looking at what those two players do for the Pens team and I rather have 2 of best players in the league, than 3 good-great players.
Why hasnt the Sens won the Stanley Cup, or even come close (outside of last year)? They're good together but thats it. When split up, they're good but nothing else. Malkin and Crosby can make the top 2 lines unbeatable sometimes, not with the Sens three. Heck, nowadays, the CASH line is forgettable. If they dont have it going, they are completely non existent. Just look at this year. Even the Sens writers were commenting on it.
Sorry, I misunderstood, but the Sens never had good goaltending, and that is the reason why the Sens always sucked in the playoffs. How many first round exits have they had, how many times have they been swept, how many times has the Leafs beat with a less superior team.
If you include Crosby and Malkin, then no, the Sens never had the amount of talent that the Pens currently do.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Sorry, like I said before, I rather have Crosby and Malkin than the Sens three. I dont really care about points because obviously they do have more points because its 3 people, but I'm looking at what those two players do for the Pens team and I rather have 2 of best players in the league, than 3 good-great players.Why hasnt the Sens won the Stanley Cup, or even come close (outside of last year)? They're good together but thats it. When split up, they're good but nothing else. Malkin and Crosby can make the top 2 lines unbeatable sometimes, not with the Sens three. Heck, nowadays, the CASH line is forgettable. If they dont have it going, they are completely non existent. Just look at this year. Even the Sens writers were commenting on it.
Sorry, I misunderstood, but the Sens never had good goaltending, and that is the reason why the Sens always sucked in the playoffs. How many first round exits have they had, how many times have they been swept, how many times has the Leafs beat with a less superior team.
If you include Crosby and Malkin, then no, the Sens never had the amount of talent that the Pens currently do.
You should care about points. Basically this boils down to who you would rather have and if you take points into consideration then I would prefer the trio over the duo. Individual comparison is another story, but when you look at how effective each have been, both now, and in the past the Sens trio wins. For a relatively bad year for the trio they still managed to get 70 points plus, each! (Don't quote me on this though I would need to check). I disagree with you when you say that the Sens trio perform worse when seperated. Only one of the three perform worse, that being Heatley. Alfredsson is capable of performing well without their help, he has been doing it before they started their NHL careers. He's also been a Captain for many years making him more qualified than Crosby who only has a year or two under his belt. Spezza is much like a Malkin, obviously we're going to argue over which is better, so let's just say both are about equal in skill to make it easier. Malkin and Crosby are not the best players in the league, again this boils down to opinions. Well, maybe with the exception of Malkin, since he had the most points in the league this year.
I have more to add and still need to answer the other responses, but I need to go to class.
See, I see it differently. Individual points dont really matter to me, but what those two players do for the whole team is more important. I rather have 2 amazing players that make 2 great lines than 1 line that does well, but could easily be contained.
There is no way Spezza is better than Malkin in any regard. Just this year Malkin supressed Spezza in points per year, and it easily going to do better in the playoffs than Spezza. Ands its only his 2nd year.
They are 2 of the best players in the league. Best...well, maybe not, but thats hard to prove but Crosby lead the league last year in points, while Malkin is second this year behind Ovechkin.
Originally posted by Smasandian
See, I see it differently. Individual points dont really matter to me, but what those two players do for the whole team is more important. I rather have 2 amazing players that make 2 great lines than 1 line that does well, but could easily be contained.There is no way Spezza is better than Malkin in any regard. Just this year Malkin supressed Spezza in points per year, and it easily going to do better in the playoffs than Spezza. Ands its only his 2nd year.
They are 2 of the best players in the league. Best...well, maybe not, but thats hard to prove but Crosby lead the league last year in points, while Malkin is second this year behind Ovechkin.
k...I'm going to answer this first.
Well, fine they don't matter to you. They matter when you want to argue who is better though. When I look at the points I see that I would prefer 3 over 2. I think you're underestimating the trio's ability to play individually. Spezza can do on his own, he's a great playmaker making him an asset to any line. He doesn't need to be grouped with Alfie and Heatley to be effective, but it's prefered. Heatley did well on Atlanta and does well when seperated also. I don't think I need to go into too much depth with Alfie. Point is, aside from their obvious successes as the Cash line they are individually valuable to any other line on the Sens team. They have revitalized Ottawa and broke records. Heatley almost broke Gretzky's record for consecutive points in the first 20 or so games on a new team. These guys are nothing short of amazing players.
Crosby was also supposed to be the next "Gretzky" and he got bested by Ovechkin this year, so does that make Ovechkin better than Crosby? Like I already mentioned the Sens team underperformed this year. That added on top of the fact that Spezza was plagued with injuries and missed a hell of a lot of games. But, you know me, statistics are important, so if we take only this year into consideration Malkin is better than Spezza. Some people are late bloomers, others are great at the start, but I've seen people who started out really well and then died down. Hopefully, that's not the case with Malkin.
"Best" is subjective. If you're looking at points, then Malkin is one of the top this year, but other than that the combined efforts of the Cash line easily best him and or him and Crosby combined. The trio have also consistently cashed for the past couple of years.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
k...I'm going to answer this first.Well, fine they don't matter to you. They matter when you want to argue who is better though. When I look at the points I see that I would prefer 3 over 2. I think you're underestimating the trio's ability to play individually. Spezza can do on his own, he's a great playmaker making him an asset to any line. He doesn't need to be grouped with Alfie and Heatley to be effective, but it's prefered. Heatley did well on Atlanta and does well when seperated also. I don't think I need to go into too much depth with Alfie. Point is, aside from their obvious successes as the Cash line they are individually valuable to any other line on the Sens team. They have revitalized Ottawa and broke records. Heatley almost broke Gretzky's record for consecutive points in the first 20 or so games on a new team. These guys are nothing short of amazing players.
Crosby was also supposed to be the next "Gretzky" and he got bested by Ovechkin this year, so does that make Ovechkin better than Crosby? Like I already mentioned the Sens team underperformed this year. That added on top of the fact that Spezza was plagued with injuries and missed a hell of a lot of games. But, you know me, statistics are important, so if we take only this year into consideration Malkin is better than Spezza. Some people are late bloomers, others are great at the start, but I've seen people who started out really well and then died down. Hopefully, that's not the case with Malkin.
"Best" is subjective. If you're looking at points, then Malkin is one of the top this year, but other than that the combined efforts of the Cash line easily best him and or him and Crosby combined. The trio have also consistently cashed for the past couple of years.
The CASH can score the points, but the duo can easily make the team better than the CASH line, and thats what is important.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Sauce of teh weak. Game 5. I was hoping for a sweep and some extra rest.Eh.
Don't feel bad; the Wings also have a game 5.
The CASH can score the points, but the duo can easily make the team better than the CASH line, and thats what is important.
Haven't the CASH line made the team better? The current Sens team is better than its predecessor and most of that has to do with the successes of those 3. I think we will have to wait a few more years before we can make any final decisions. As far as it goes, the Sens trio have a better tracking record than those two and part of that has to do with the fact that they have been playing longer.
Originally posted by Justic3here's the problem with the Kings 🙁
who thinks that the kings are gonna be in the playoffs next year, if kopitar stays?.. btw any news on him leaving, or not yet decided?..
sry if I dunno that much but im from slovenia 😛.. so if anyone could just answer my questions 😄.. it'd be greatthx
they always have great players on their teams, and their line ups seem solid, but their managment is awful. give them 3 years, and they can make it to at least semi finals.
in slovenia.. a sport tv just became really popular and good.. we get the nba playoffs but at late hours 😛.. and we had nba through the season.. we had some nfl matches.. super bowl, pro bowl.. just no hockey yet 😖 ... so I kinda started getting interested in the nhl.. especially.. ofcourse on kopitar 😛.. I hope that he finds a better club or kings get a better management....
sorry for my english 😛.. but i hope u'll understand 🙂