1) Where is this conjecture that Revan defeated Malak "without much difficulty" coming from? We have no details on the battle, except for its outcome.
2) When was Malak proven to be on Count Dooku's level? I've seen Escape post this once, but there's really very little to support the claim, especially since Dooku is hands-down one of the most powerful Jedi or Sith in the saga.
1) When Revan and Malak fought on the Star Forge, in order for Malak to resist long enough against Revan, he drained the life energy from more than five Jedi. If he had not absorbed the energy from a single Jedi, Malak would have been killed with ease.
2) Yes, I agree. We need more evidence to support this.
Originally posted by Man of Christ
i will give the simple and logical answeryes revan did beat malak on the leviathan, thats why instead of finishing the duel that you were beating him in, he used stasis and fled.
bastilla's "sacrifice" was merely a plot device leading to her fall to the dark side which was meant to enhance the story and make gameplay longer and more interesting.had bastilla not intervened, malak would have lost but with some difficulty. it wont be a cake walk for the revan who was stunned momentarily with stasis. but i still have revan taking this one.
Hmp.
I would have appreciated Carth shutting his insolent mouth instead of claiming that Malak would have killed my character if Bastila had not intervened.
He should have said that Bastila lost her head and acted in an irrational manner, stopping my character from carving Malak into small pieces.
I do not take kindly to having my character - a character that I put time into making when I should have been doing more productive things - being made to sound weak in front of the other virtual characters because of poor writing.
Originally posted by Lt. Valerian
So you're saying Revan is more powerful than Count Dooku?
Imo yes(very,very tough fight none the less),though there was the debate going on a few weeks ago that really was never resolved.
This confrontation erupted into a massive battle as Republic fleet forces arrived to attack the Star Forge. Endless streams of ships poured forth from the Star Forge, striking against the amassed warships of the Republic. The Sith Lord had grotesquely adapted the Rakatan device to draw energy directly from chained Jedi captives. He replenished his life force from the captives by draining theirs. Malak was nearly unstoppable, but the Republic emerged from that epic conflict victorious, as the Star Forge was eventually destroyed.
I believe that it was only referring to him, due to the previous two sentences otherwise if the armada was suppose to be nearly unstoppable then why not say "the sith", regardless of the means of the quote I still believe that the fight between Revan and Malak was in no way an easy fight,Malak is an accomplished sith and by replenishing his life force makes the duel even harder on Revan. So even with the fight being an unknown I don't seee why it would not be hard.
The idea that Malak was a little less than Dooku but stronger than Dooku while on the star forge, I believe started from an older thread, I was the one who actually disagreed with this, but I am by no means a Dooku expert or even close to being one so I couldn't debate him. Though I don think Malak is in the same league as Dooku regardless if he is weaker or stroner.
1) Where is this conjecture that Revan defeated Malak "without much difficulty" coming from? We have no details on the battle, except for its outcome.
It probably came from the fact that Revan beat Malak about 5 times in a row after powering through the Star Forge, stopped to chat with him then walked out smiling.
Beating someone 5 or 6 times in a row immediatly after one another is my idea of ultimate pwnage.
Yes, I fail to see when does the fight indicate it was a very tough duel for Revan.
Imo yes(very,very tough fight none the less),though there was the debate going on a few weeks ago that really was never resolved.
Actually, I would agree with you on that one. I consider Revan slightly below the likes of Yoda and Sidious in terms of Force power, and he is, after all, one of the best duelists of the era. It's up for a debate. Maybe I'll make a thread about this.
However, I disagree with what you say about Malak being the Count's equal.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
It probably came from the fact that Revan beat Malak about 5 times in a row after powering through the Star Forge, stopped to chat with him then walked out smiling.
Beating someone 5 or 6 times in a row immediatly after one another is my idea of ultimate pwnage.
Gameplay buddy, it is unknown how many times the Malak replenished his life force so stop throwing out bs when you KNOW the only known details of the fight is this:
1.At some point in the duel they engaged in lightsaber combat and Revan emerged the victor, that is the most likely explanation on how this duel ended. (as seen in qel droma's vision)
2.For all all you know Malak could have drained the life force from more than one jedi at a time. But he did do it at least once as the databank says.
Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
He still did it, which immediately tells us he NEEDED to do it in order to keep fighting.
And in the image of Revan standing over Malak's corpse I really don't see any wounds or injuries on him...
Was there any on Obiwan after his battles with Maul and Anakin. No,yet he almost died to Maul and arguably the same to Anakin.
Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0Again, watching the thirty seconds after Obi-Wan WTFpwns Anakin, you wouldn't assume that he'd "almost died or that it was an epic fight." We see one brief image of the aftermath in Qel-Droma's vision, and that's not nearly enough to simply write off the duel as quick or easy.
I know what you mean, but it just doesn't seem likely that he almost died or that it was an epic fight. Though, you didn't consider this fight extremely close neither, did you? I you didn't, then how would you say it happened?
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAs EH said: gameplay. After Malak is forced to absorb more power, you had the option of simply destroying the tanks, in which case he was only empowered twice.
It probably came from the fact that Revan beat Malak about 5 times in a row after powering through the Star Forge, stopped to chat with him then walked out smiling.
Beating someone 5 or 6 times in a row immediatly after one another is my idea of ultimate pwnage.
And you need to stop putting your own spin on things; walked out smiling? Stopped to chat? Sidious was cackling like an idiot after Yoda's fall, and Obi-Wan had his own parting words with the newly crippled Vader after their duel. Would you argue that either of them had an easy time? I hope not.
Originally posted by Light_Sith
Hmp.I would have appreciated Carth shutting his insolent mouth instead of claiming that Malak would have killed my character if Bastila had not intervened.
He should have said that Bastila lost her head and acted in an irrational manner, stopping my character from carving Malak into small pieces.
I do not take kindly to having my character - a character that I put time into making when I should have been doing more productive things - being made to sound weak in front of the other virtual characters because of poor writing.
i agree 100%
plus at this point in the game, i use revan all the time cuz bastilla is weaker, so if if carth argues i would have lost, why did the weaker bastilla need to intervene lol
As EH said: gameplay. After Malak is forced to absorb more power, you had the option of simply destroying the tanks, in which case he was only empowered twice.
Fine, but beating someone twice in a row is still bloody good, especially if you take into consideration all that Revan had previously done without rest. Such as: Powering through the SF, Killing dozens (I think you actually have to kill about 50-100 people there but didn't count) of Sith, Elite troops and Driods, Defeating either a SF enhanced Bastila or the 3 best Sith in Malak's order, then destroying the room with the respawning driods. There is also a possibility that Revan also did all of this straight after taking out the Rakatan temple, with again dozens of Sith and Bastila/the two jedi to kill.
So you'll forgive me if I cling to the 'delusion' that Revan is very impressive and that she pwned Malak
Hmp.I would have appreciated Carth shutting his insolent mouth instead of claiming that Malak would have killed my character if Bastila had not intervened.
He should have said that Bastila lost her head and acted in an irrational manner, stopping my character from carving Malak into small pieces.
I do not take kindly to having my character - a character that I put time into making when I should have been doing more productive things - being made to sound weak in front of the other virtual characters because of poor writing.
I also agree.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Fine, but beating someone twice in a row is still bloody good,
What you don't get is is that you don't know how much "life" Malak really has and the same goes for Revan for that matter. Like I said before Malak and Revan could have been a near stand still and Malak could have tried to get an advantage by draining the jedi but his real "life" doesn't necessarily have to be "almost empty"
Defeating either a SF enhanced Bastila
then destroying the room with the respawning driods
These are impressive.
There is also a possibility that Revan also did all of this straight after taking out the Rakatan temple, with again dozens of Sith and Bastila/the two jedi to kill.
Except for the fact that he had the help of Jolee and Juhani at the temple and I highly doubt that the other party members just stayed back at the ship and did not help (until the fight with Bastilla) while Revan is trying to save the galaxy.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusHe wasn't "beaten twice in a row." SW continuity doesn't play out like the video game, Exodus. There's no HP bar; when someone is beaten, they're either maimed, humiliated, unconscious, or dead. Revan's not an idiot, and considering he and Malak were the only two living Force-users who had ever exerted any degree of control over the Star Forge, I highly doubt that he'd be willing to "beat" Malak and then let him empower himself again and prolong the conflict. The fact that Malak and his forces were described as "nearly unstoppable" would also imply that Revan isn't treating this as a joke.
Fine, but beating someone twice in a row is still bloody good, especially if you take into consideration all that Revan had previously done without rest.
Such as: Powering through the SF, Killing dozens (I think you actually have to kill about 50-100 people there but didn't count) of Sith, Elite troops and Driods, Defeating either a SF enhanced Bastila or the 3 best Sith in Malak's order, then destroying the room with the respawning driods. There is also a possibility that Revan also did all of this straight after taking out the Rakatan temple, with again dozens of Sith and Bastila/the two jedi to kill.
As it is, there're far more canon cutscenes and clips featuring some form of confrontation between Jaden and a Force-wielding enemy in JA than there are for Revan in KotOR.
So you'll forgive me if I cling to the 'delusion' that Revan is very impressive and that she pwned MalakNo, I won't, because it has no basis. Revan - canonically male, and therefore a "he" - was logically very impressive, and obviously Malak's superior, but quite contrary to your assertions everything points to their battle, and the larger one taking place around them, as being epic.
Originally posted by Light_Sith
Hmp.I would have appreciated Carth shutting his insolent mouth instead of claiming that Malak would have killed my character if Bastila had not intervened.
He should have said that Bastila lost her head and acted in an irrational manner, stopping my character from carving Malak into small pieces.
I do not take kindly to having my character - a character that I put time into making when I should have been doing more productive things - being made to sound weak in front of the other virtual characters because of poor writing.
^ Hey, no dissing The Drew's writing.