Cyclops vs. Batman

"well it would be...but we obviously saw cyclops in a losing position....throughout the fight....justice league members and x-men were interfering in eachother's fights throughout the whole thing for instance: green lantern was about to kill iceman but bishoop got in the way and was about to kill green lantern until flash beat him down......so it's just as safe to assume he didn't get out of that position alone...."

How very political...You avoided truly answering his question with a worthy reply by bringing up a completely unrelated situation to the sleeper hold and assumed it would have worked out the same way.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
"well it would be...but we obviously saw cyclops in a losing position....throughout the fight....justice league members and x-men were interfering in eachother's fights throughout the whole thing for instance: green lantern was about to kill iceman but bishoop got in the way and was about to kill green lantern until flash beat him down......so it's just as safe to assume he didn't get out of that position alone...."

How very political...You avoided truly answering his question with a worthy reply by bringing up a completely unrelated situation to the sleeper hold and assumed it would have worked out the same way.

i dont get this... it was a sleeper hold...cyclops has martial arts training (obviously not as much as bats), but it was just a sleeper hold... anybody with a little training and strength should be able to break a hold like that...

Originally posted by pr1983
i have an example, ill find it...

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azrael and nightwing? are you kidding?

bats has to get his gadgets close to cyke...

I believe it,
Let's look at Dick. He is a natural talent. What Bat's has to work at very hard to attain physically, Dick has an innate ability to do so.

Jean Paul, his ferocity when engaging a fight is frightning at best. He is the darker version of Bruce plus borderline psychotic.

I can't see a one dimensional guy like Cyke taking these guys down.
You have to back up your argument with much more than just " His optic blast at full level will decimate everything" That's simply not enough. You are pitting these guys against a dude who only has one thing at best as a means of getting victory and frankly that's not a full proof thing.

Cyclops has trained the living hell out of that one thing though. It's really all he needs because he's great @ it. He's not known for missing and one blast is all it takes. I doubt he'd miss 2x. He can also blast ceilings and floors. He could reasonably easily herd Bats where he wants to. Every gadget Bats uses is something he's gonna have to reach for and then use. Cyclops can bust out at least 3 shots in that time. And he's a DAMN good shot. You guys are relying on Cyclops missing EVERY shot and getting hit or affected by something Bats has for Bats to win. I'm saying Bats and Cyclops can both be on the top of their games and Scott will still lose. Bats only real chance is getting up close and even then, he's a much bigger target up close. Try to use some serious logic here people. Slim can fire one shot that would go through Bats AND whatever he's trying to throw. Nightwing and Az are no different.

What if Batman throws an tear gas granade or sleeper gas granade towards Cyke. He shoots them out from the air, but wouldn't the gas that is inside the granades explode into Cyke's face?

"i dont get this... it was a sleeper hold...cyclops has martial arts training (obviously not as much as bats), but it was just a sleeper hold... anybody with a little training and strength should be able to break a hold like that..."

that's not the point.....batman had scott in a losing position....snap neck.....scotts dead....

the next pic is questionable because there's no way to tell how scott got out of it.....batman's the man at hand to hand and anyone who can apply it decently can implement on instant choking/gagging reflex and render someone out in a few moments....I've seen a girl choke a guy out nearly immediately with "just a sleeper hold" who was like 3 times her size.......

I dare someone to get out of my sleeperhold. Unless you're at least 3 times stronger than me or twice the fighter it aint happening.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Cyclops has trained the living hell out of that one thing though. It's really all he needs because he's great @ it. He's not known for missing and one blast is all it takes. I doubt he'd miss 2x. He can also blast ceilings and floors. He could reasonably easily herd Bats where he wants to. Every gadget Bats uses is something he's gonna have to reach for and then use. Cyclops can bust out at least 3 shots in that time. And he's a DAMN good shot. You guys are relying on Cyclops missing EVERY shot and getting hit or affected by something Bats has for Bats to win. I'm saying Bats and Cyclops can both be on the top of their games and Scott will still lose. Bats only real chance is getting up close and even then, he's a much bigger target up close. Try to use some serious logic here people. Slim can fire one shot that would go through Bats AND whatever he's trying to throw. Nightwing and Az are no different.

If he is so formidable why is it that he doesn't demonstrate more prowess in the comix? Why because he would prefer the other members to look good while he looks inferior?
I am reading these posts on how Cyke is a Bullseye of some sort and I haven't seen that demonstrated often enough as to believe it.
I am going on what the current continuum version of both characters have done in the past and what they have demonstrated more often than not as to what their strengths and weaknesses are.
I don't see Cyke blasting three batarangs and one vomit gas plus nitro pellet I see Cyke falling for it and blasting the batarangs and getting caught by the other. Remember what makes Bat's a great opponent, you can't keep using the same trick against him for too long.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I dare someone to get out of my sleeperhold. Unless you're at least 3 times stronger than me or twice the fighter it aint happening.

Bats is both triple Cyke's strength and double his skill in the ring. Bats could win this with a good plan. Unless, of course, Cyke strips the visor.

Originally posted by LordFear
If he is so formidable why is it that he doesn't demonstrate more prowess in the comix? Why because he would prefer the other members to look good while he looks inferior?
I am reading these posts on how Cyke is a Bullseye of some sort and I haven't seen that demonstrated often enough as to believe it.
I am going on what the current continuum version of both characters have done in the past and what they have demonstrated more often than not as to what their strengths and weaknesses are.
I don't see Cyke blasting three batarangs and one vomit gas plus nitro pellet I see Cyke falling for it and blasting the batarangs and getting caught by the other. Remember what makes Bat's a great opponent, you can't keep using the same trick against him for too long.

someone post that pic of cyke taking down the sentinel in astonishing 😎

"I am reading these posts on how Cyke is a Bullseye of some sort and I haven't seen that demonstrated often enough as to believe it."

Originally posted by 8bitChris
"I am reading these posts on how Cyke is a Bullseye of some sort and I haven't seen that demonstrated often enough as to believe it."

Ok one instance.
I have read a lot of Xmen in my days and I haven't seen enough feats from Scott to base my argument on that.
Again Sentinel versus Bat's(a moving target) is very different.
Bat's has no blueprint on how to be taken down unlike Sentinels who if you hit the neck area, joints and other key strike points, you can dismantle them in one decent shot.

You tell me if a Sentinel or Batman coming at you and who would you be shitting your pants over?

"someone post that pic of cyke taking down the sentinel in astonishing"
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Sorry my scanner is about 10 years old but it does ok still.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
"someone post that pic of cyke taking down the sentinel in astonishing"
🙂

Sorry my scanner is about 10 years old but it does ok still.

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yea, I'd like to see Batty avoid that one.

Scenario.
From what I know about Scott, he will not blast Bruce with a kill shot.
Therefore Bat's kevlar body suit although will not protect him entirely but will save him from getting severly burned or vital organs damaged.
Bat's BELEIVE ME will NOT get caught twice with the same trick.
I am certain!!!
He throws about four or five gas pellets to allow him to get some camouflage and hides within the confusion. Scott panics and widen his range, firing aimlessly in the air, Bats uses Scott's confusion and disables him from behind.

"Ok one instance.
I have read a lot of Xmen in my days and I haven't seen enough feats from Scott to base my argument on that."

Seriously man. You want proof of Scott's skills then I give you see and you complain about it. It seems like you're asking for 50 different images of Cylops doing something that requires very precise aiming. I could find them, but that's not high on my list of priorities.

Just read that first picture again...

"He aims and fires with barely a conscious thought...trusting to a unique inborn talent for spacial geometry honed by months of practice in the danger room..."

If anything, he's got a lot more training and experience since that little Arcade incident.

you got the other pics of the pages before that?

Not scanned. But what would you like to see?

Originally posted by 8bitChris
"Ok one instance.
I have read a lot of Xmen in my days and I haven't seen enough feats from Scott to base my argument on that."

Seriously man. You want proof of Scott's skills then I give you see and you complain about it. It seems like you're asking for 50 different images of Cylops doing something that requires very precise aiming. I could find them, but that's not high on my list of priorities.

Just read that first picture again...

"He aims and fires with barely a conscious thought...trusting to a unique inborn talent for spacial geometry honed by months of practice in the danger room..."

If anything, he's got a lot more training and experience since that little Arcade incident.

It's his comix dude!!!
What the hell do you expect them to say. Nothing but good stuff obviously. They are not gonna point out his weaknesses or the fact that if they claim it's inborn, would it come with a certain ease and not require months of training or honing to achieve?
Ever think of that?
An innate ability predisposes you to have the talent come with a certain ease and not require any analytical or serious training to achieve unless if you are trying to attain a higher degree or mastery of that talent then you require more work and training to get that.
Again showing me Scott blasting a sentinel or blasting a mound of dirt with precision doesn't win me over into thinking that if he confronted BATMAN THE DARK KNIGHT aka Mister pretty much unstoppable for an average dude that he is not gonna get his ass handed to him.C'mon

"It's his comix dude!!!
What the hell do you expect them to say. Nothing but good stuff obviously. They are not gonna point out his weaknesses"

Should I get info from a comic that is not Scott's main comic? A comic without Scott's main writer? come on man. Where else would you go to find out about Scott's weakness? Everyone knows it btw, his weakness is his fear of losing control and hurting innocent people.

"or the fact that if they claim it's inborn, would it come with a certain ease and not require months of training or honing to achieve?
Ever think of that?"

Honing doesn't mean he is achieving it. It means he is perfecting it.

"An innate ability predisposes you to have the talent come with a certain ease and not require any analytical or serious training to achieve unless if you are trying to attain a higher degree or mastery of that talent then you require more work and training to get that."

Sports come easily to a natural athelete. The athelete only gets better with training. He's not born a master at atheletic feats. He just eases into them a last faster and has greater potential than those without natural ability. So Scott has a knack for angles and aim? It's not that hard to understand.