Cyclops vs. Batman

Originally posted by 8bitChris
"It's his comix dude!!!
What the hell do you expect them to say. Nothing but good stuff obviously. They are not gonna point out his weaknesses"

Should I get info from a comic that is not Scott's main comic? A comic without Scott's main writer? come on man. Where else would you go to find out about Scott's weakness? Everyone knows it btw, his weakness is his fear of losing control and hurting innocent people.

"or the fact that if they claim it's inborn, would it come with a certain ease and not require months of training or honing to achieve?
Ever think of that?"

Honing doesn't mean he is achieving it. It means he is perfecting it.

"An innate ability predisposes you to have the talent come with a certain ease and not require any analytical or serious training to achieve unless if you are trying to attain a higher degree or mastery of that talent then you require more work and training to get that."

Sports come easily to a natural athelete. The athelete only gets better with training. He's not born a master at atheletic feats. He just eases into them a last faster and has greater potential than those without natural ability. So Scott has a knack for angles and aim? It's not that hard to understand.

Exactly my point. Athletes are naturally born to do certain things that puts them aside from the rest. Even if the athlete didn't train, he compete against someone who doesn't have that natural ability, the athlete would still prevail by a huge margin.The fact that he trains,puts him on a level way beyond someone who doesn't have it to begin with.
My point is Scott was born with this ability, honing it or training it would make someone think that well unless he is trying to attain an almost godlike ability, he should be able to do it with little training

Originally posted by LordFear
It's his comix dude!!!
What the hell do you expect them to say. Nothing but good stuff obviously. They are not gonna point out his weaknesses or the fact that if they claim it's inborn, would it come with a certain ease and not require months of training or honing to achieve?
Ever think of that?
An innate ability predisposes you to have the talent come with a certain ease and not require any analytical or serious training to achieve unless if you are trying to attain a higher degree or mastery of that talent then you require more work and training to get that.
Again showing me Scott blasting a sentinel or blasting a mound of dirt with precision doesn't win me over into thinking that if he confronted BATMAN THE DARK KNIGHT aka Mister pretty much unstoppable for an average dude that he is not gonna get his ass handed to him.C'mon

how is it his comic? The x-men is a team comic, and if anything its Wolverine's comic. You know who actually HAS his own comic? Multiple lines? Batman.

So, please dont bring up anything Batman has done in his own comics. And also Bats is a lot more popular, so the writers hype him up. So dont bring up any of them batarangs either. 😎

A Batman supporter complaining about something Cyke did in "his own comic" when he doesnt even have his comic. 😆 and Batman has a million comics starring.. Batman.

Originally posted by LordFear

if he confronted BATMAN THE DARK KNIGHT aka Mister pretty much unstoppable for an average dude that he is not gonna get his ass handed to him.C'mon

😕 yea, youre right! Batman would never lose because he's.... batman.

Conveniently there are no other comix where Scott is shown aside from Xmen unlike Batman who has his own series and then JLA. I have seen and read instances where in JLA, they show Bats at his weakest and shows that despite him being all that great, he still is human. I also have read that in Batman.Superman World Finest series. So in Bat's case, someone get's to see his strength and weakness. Scott, on the other hand I have only seen him pretty much at his best or if he is not ordering around, giving a morality speech or lamenting on the fact that he has relationship issues.

"My point is Scott was born with this ability, honing it or training it would make someone think that well unless he is trying to attain an almost godlike ability, he should be able to do it with little training"

Scott can do it with little training. He is only better because of the training.

What exactly are you trying to say here? Where did you get that he doesn't have a unique talent just because he practices using it a lot?

Originally posted by LordFear
Conveniently there are no other comix where Scott is shown aside from Xmen unlike Batman who has his own series and then JLA. I have seen and read instances where in JLA, they show Bats at his weakest and shows that despite him being all that great, he still is human. I also have read that in Batman.Superman World Finest series. So in Bat's case, someone get's to see his strength and weakness. Scott, on the other hand I have only seen him pretty much at his best or if he is not ordering around, giving a morality speech or lamenting on the fact that he has relationship issues.

Scott is only shown at his best? Read more X-men comics.

and yea, Batman has his own series. I guess everything Batman does there is fake. According to you...

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
how is it his comic? The x-men is a team comic, and if anything its [b]Wolverine's comic. You know who actually HAS his own comic? Multiple lines? Batman.

So, please dont bring up anything Batman has done in his own comics. And also Bats is a lot more popular, so the writers hype him up. So dont bring up any of them batarangs either. 😎

A Batman supporter complaining about something Cyke did in "his own comic" when he doesnt even have his comic. 😆 and Batman has a million comics starring.. Batman.

😕 yea, youre right! Batman would never lose because he's.... batman. [/B]

You wouldn't call Xmen a comix about Scott, Jean and their problems?
Christ how many times must I read how they are this and that and how their union is so vital to the cause and how Mr Sinister has plans for them then theirs Cable who is a descendant of them etc..........
It's a comic about Logan now???
You kidding me?
I bring up batarangs because it's as much a Bats thing as his cape, utility belt or batmobile. It's like you saying well don't bring up Spidey's weblar because "oh please"That makes sense to you?
I am not bringing up stuff like "well if Bat's get th New God's technology or a boom tub..." I am using relevant facts about a character whatt's your gripe?
In Batman's comix you see him get the living crap kicked outta him and suffers defeat so don't argue that.
I can't sit there and tell yyou that I think that Bat's will lose to a guy who has honed in his ability to project optic blasts at different intensity and has athletic abilities at best. Can't do it and has nothing to do with fanboyism.

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
Scott is only shown at his best? Read more X-men comics.

and yea, Batman has his own series. I guess everything Batman does there is fake. According to you...

I'm trying to follow you but seriously I don't even know where the hell you are going with this!!!
Are you arguing for or against Bats?
It's seems that you are just everywhere at once but ain't saying much

Originally posted by 8bitChris
"My point is Scott was born with this ability, honing it or training it would make someone think that well unless he is trying to attain an almost godlike ability, he should be able to do it with little training"

Scott can do it with little training. He is only better because of the training.

What exactly are you trying to say here? Where did you get that he doesn't have a unique talent just because he practices using it a lot?

Dude I am trying to point out to you that all this hype and baloney you are putting behind a one dimensional character is insufficient argument to prove otherwise. Why can't you just make up a scenario where Scott beats him? Do you at least agree that where the fight takes place plays a serious role?

Originally posted by LordFear
You wouldn't call Xmen a comix about Scott, Jean and their problems?
Christ how many times must I read how they are this and that and how their union is so vital to the cause and how Mr Sinister has plans for them then theirs Cable who is a descendant of them etc..........
It's a comic about Logan now???
You kidding me?
I bring up batarangs because it's as much a Bats thing as his cape, utility belt or batmobile. It's like you saying well don't bring up Spidey's weblar because "oh please"That makes sense to you?
I am not bringing up stuff like "well if Bat's get th New God's technology or a boom tub..." I am using relevant facts about a character whatt's your gripe?
In Batman's comix you see him get the living crap kicked outta him and suffers defeat so don't argue that.
I can't sit there and tell yyou that I think that Bat's will lose to a guy who has honed in his ability to project optic blasts at different intensity and has athletic abilities at best. Can't do it and has nothing to do with fanboyism.

Lets see out of all the major X-stories which are centered aroudn Scott and Jean? Dark Phoenix Saga, Inferno, X-cutioners Song. Thats it.

everything else,

all the years from 1976-1986; Days of Future Past; God Loves, Man Kills; Onslaught; entire arcs by Austen, Seagle, Lobdell; everything happening in current comics...

Scott is only on ONE x-team and that book isnt mainly about him. Uncanny, Adjectiveless, X-force, Exiles, everything else doesnt even HAVE him. Oh, and he has a small role in New X-men: Academy.

"Dude I am trying to point out to you that all this hype and baloney you are putting behind a one dimensional character is insufficient argument to prove otherwise. Why can't you just make up a scenario where Scott beats him? Do you at least agree that where the fight takes place plays a serious role?"

I never said who I thought would win between Batman and Cyclops. I was just aswering to the people asking of how good Cyclops was with his optic blasts and ability; which happens to be pretty damn good.

Anyone can make up a scenario where anyone beats anyone. Want me to make up one where Cyclops beats Batman?

ok.

Cyclops blasts Batman with a full intensity optic blast pinning him against an adamantium wall and leaving Batman with a hole 2 feet in diameter through his torso. An audience gathers and applauds Cyclops and he doesn't know how to react.

But "dude" that is not what you were trying to do to "me". You were just trying to make up a BS reason as to why Cyclops wouldn't have a knack for angles and you couldn't do it.

Batman.

^ Yup, I agree. 👆

Cyclops wins this in a very short period of time. DC always wants Bats to look good and Slim still brought him down. Cyke wasn't really trying to hurt him. He just wanted to sort the whole mess out.

out in the open field theres nothing to it ..cyclops all the way. batman would have no place to dodge his optic blast and he might have his smoke bomb and his little toys but cyclops would have the whole area on lock....batman would even be able to get close.........in a closed in area i say batman. batman is to smart and wouldnt fight cyclops out in the open anyway. batman would use everything around him to finish cyclops. it depends where. hand to hand.....batman all the way

Originally posted by 8bitChris
"Dude I am trying to point out to you that all this hype and baloney you are putting behind a one dimensional character is insufficient argument to prove otherwise. Why can't you just make up a scenario where Scott beats him? Do you at least agree that where the fight takes place plays a serious role?"

I never said who I thought would win between Batman and Cyclops. I was just aswering to the people asking of how good Cyclops was with his optic blasts and ability; which happens to be pretty damn good.

Anyone can make up a scenario where anyone beats anyone. Want me to make up one where Cyclops beats Batman?

ok.

Cyclops blasts Batman with a full intensity optic blast pinning him against an adamantium wall and leaving Batman with a hole 2 feet in diameter through his torso. An audience gathers and applauds Cyclops and he doesn't know how to react.

But "dude" that is not what you were trying to do to "me". You were just trying to make up a BS reason as to why Cyclops wouldn't have a knack for angles and you couldn't do it.

Honestly that's the scenario that you have?
That's the logic that backs up your conviction?
Like Marvel would say "Nuff Said"

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
you clearly dont even read x-men comics. Yea its all about Scott, Jean (who aren't even together anymore) and Mr. Sinister, a 2nd tier X-villain! 😱

Lets see out of all the major X-stories which are centered aroudn Scott and Jean? Dark Phoenix Saga, Inferno, X-cutioners Song. Thats it.

everything else,

all the years from 1976-1986; Days of Future Past; God Loves, Man Kills; Onslaught; entire arcs by Austen, Seagle, Lobdell; everything happening in current comics...

Scott is only on ONE x-team and that book isnt mainly about him. Uncanny, Adjectiveless, X-force, Exiles, everything else doesnt even HAVE him. Oh, and he has a small role in New X-men: Academy.

My point is that Batman is showed his strength and weakness.
I haven't seen Scott's weakness. Someone posted earlier that his weakness is the fact that he has a morality code and won't kill someone unless he has to. That weakness or flaw in the character would be his downfall against someone like Bats.

Originally posted by LordFear
I haven't seen Scott's weakness. Someone posted earlier that his weakness is the fact that he has a morality code and won't kill someone unless he has to. That weakness or flaw in the character would be his downfall against someone like Bats.

Originally posted by who?-kid
How ?

In the initial confrontation, Cyke will not land a kill shot.
He will try to disable Bats with a non lethal shot. Bats will probably be hurt bad perhaps first or second degree burns but not fatal. I imagine that his kevlar body armor reinforced with a synthetic polymer thats comprised of it will shield him. Bat's won't get caught twice with the same trick. He will realize that he needs to get close to Cyke in order to take him down. Depending upon the environment and where they are fighting, if Bruce can't use the shadows or surroundings to his advantage, then he'll figure to make Cyke come to him. If he plays possum on any of Cykes' subsequent shots, Scott thinking that Bats is down, will come up close to get a closer confirmation. Bat's then foot sweeps him,hopefully taking him out quick and fast.

okay....I'm not taking anythin away from scottyand he does actually have excellent h2h skillz.....one he downed an entire street gang while he was joggin using martial arts alone.......but batman's on a different level.........I think this is more or less a decent represetation of the fight.....

Originally posted by LordFear
In the initial confrontation, Cyke will not land a kill shot.
He will try to disable Bats with a non lethal shot. Bats will probably be hurt bad perhaps first or second degree burns but not fatal. I imagine that his kevlar body armor reinforced with a synthetic polymer thats comprised of it will shield him. Bat's won't get caught twice with the same trick. He will realize that he needs to get close to Cyke in order to take him down. Depending upon the environment and where they are fighting, if Bruce can't use the shadows or surroundings to his advantage, then he'll figure to make Cyke come to him. If he plays possum on any of Cykes' subsequent shots, Scott thinking that Bats is down, will come up close to get a closer confirmation. Bat's then foot sweeps him,hopefully taking him out quick and fast.