Originally posted by darthmaul1
First off they should get Adam Baldwin back to reprise his role of Garber
Baldwin???....,NO, immediate FAIL!! 😘 😘
here's a thought. how about aliens versus predator 3 be about aliens fighting predators with some space marines thrown in?
This is the easiest god damn mother fvcking movie to make. The recipe is known and the recipe is well liked. ALIENS/COLONIAL MARINES-----PREDATOR/KILL SHIT. how hard is it to mash all these mother fvckers together ? i mean really. Alright, a space freighter crash lands on a planet. Fvck there are aliens EVERYWEHERE!!!!, Colonial marines answer the distress beacon and get caught up in between an alien on alien war where they have to save civilians, and then they make shiit dead while the aliens are making each other and the marines deader. OK now was that hard?
I MEAN FVCK FVCKKKKKKKK. no, we have to put ONE mother fvckin predator up against dozens of aliens in the backdrop of a dawsons creek episode. Hollywood is fvkcing retarded as the syntax and grammer i used to write this rant. Anything from here on out ever involving aliens or predator will be epic garbage. AvP2 was honestly one of the worst failures i have ever sat through. It was offensive as a fan of the fvcking movies and extended lore, but even worse...,it was offensive as a movie fan. Hollywood bent me over and systematically placed their giant penis directly in my ass and neglected to use any sort of lubricant while the steady stroking was taking place. I didnt even get a reach around...all i got was shitty effects and darkness. I puke spit and crap on everyone responsible for the steaming pile of failure that was AvP2 and the two incredible franchises which died with it. 😠 😠 😠
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Baldwin???....,NO, immediate FAIL!! 😘 😘here's a thought. how about aliens versus predator 3 be about aliens fighting predators with some space marines thrown in?
This is the easiest god damn mother fvcking movie to make. The recipe is known and the recipe is well liked. ALIENS/COLONIAL MARINES-----PREDATOR/KILL SHIT. how hard is it to mash all these mother fvckers together ? i mean really. Alright, a space freighter crash lands on a planet. Fvck there are aliens EVERYWEHERE!!!!, Colonial marines answer the distress beacon and get caught up in between an alien on alien war where they have to save civilians, and then they make shiit dead while the aliens are making each other and the marines deader. OK now was that hard?
I MEAN FVCK FVCKKKKKKKK. no, we have to put ONE mother fvckin predator up against dozens of aliens in the backdrop of a dawsons creek episode. Hollywood is fvkcing retarded as the syntax and grammer i used to write this rant. Anything from here on out ever involving aliens or predator will be epic garbage. AvP2 was honestly one of the worst failures i have ever sat through. It was offensive as a fan of the fvcking movies and extended lore, but even worse...,it was offensive as a movie fan. Hollywood bent me over and systematically placed their giant penis directly in my ass and neglected to use any sort of lubricant while the steady stroking was taking place. I didnt even get a reach around...all i got was shitty effects and darkness. I puke spit and crap on everyone responsible for the steaming pile of failure that was AvP2 and the two incredible franchises which died with it. 😠 😠 😠
Ugh, this is the same damn complaint I hear every time somebody wants to whine about AVP2 - "it didn't have colonial marines"! Seriously, that complaint is just as common as "it only had one Predator!" What the hell? PREDATOR only had one damn Predator!!! As for the marines thing there's two problems with this - #1, they're NOT trying to remake "Aliens" again. Do that, and all you get is a crappy knock-off of a movie we've already seen, with a Predator thrown in. They were trying to take the franchise in a different direction with AVP2, and I applaud them for that. Getting back to smaller, more claustrophobic horror was a good choice over always opting for "bigger and better". And, that brings us to problem #2: money. Sure, it's easy to say "here's the easy answer to the problem" when you don't have to worry about a budget! AVP2 was only made for like $30 million, which is pretty good considering what they got out of it - and the profit it turned at the box office. To make a movie with your scenario, they'd need a budget of like $200 million - and do you really think an AVP3 movie is going to make enough money to turn a profit on a budget that large, even if it's awesome? That's a HUGE risk, and not one that I think most studios are willing to take - it's the same reason we see less and less big-budget sci-fi movies nowadays.
It's easy to be a fanboy and complain "this is the ultimate movie", but sadly, there's more to making a movie than just having an idea; it's a business, too. Don't misunderstand me - I'd LOVE to see a movie with an a$$load of Predators trashing an entire planet of Aliens, but I don't think it's gonna happen. If all I can get is a $30 million dollar AVP movie... well, as long as it's got Predators and Aliens (and Predaliens) whuppin' the crap out of each other, like AVP2 did, then I'm happy.
Originally posted by crystallake
Ugh, this is the same damn complaint I hear every time somebody wants to whine about AVP2 - "it didn't have colonial marines"! Seriously, that complaint is just as common as "it only had one Predator!" What the hell? PREDATOR only had one damn Predator!!! As for the marines thing there's two problems with this - #1, they're NOT trying to remake "Aliens" again. Do that, and all you get is a crappy knock-off of a movie we've already seen, with a Predator thrown in. They were trying to take the franchise in a different direction with AVP2, and I applaud them for that. Getting back to smaller, more claustrophobic horror was a good choice over always opting for "bigger and better". And, that brings us to problem #2: money. Sure, it's easy to say "here's the easy answer to the problem" when you don't have to worry about a budget! AVP2 was only made for like $30 million, which is pretty good considering what they got out of it - and the profit it turned at the box office. To make a movie with your scenario, they'd need a budget of like $200 million - and do you really think an AVP3 movie is going to make enough money to turn a profit on a budget that large, even if it's awesome? That's a HUGE risk, and not one that I think most studios are willing to take - it's the same reason we see less and less big-budget sci-fi movies nowadays.It's easy to be a fanboy and complain "this is the ultimate movie", but sadly, there's more to making a movie than just having an idea; it's a business, too. Don't misunderstand me - I'd LOVE to see a movie with an a$$load of Predators trashing an entire planet of Aliens, but I don't think it's gonna happen. If all I can get is a $30 million dollar AVP movie... well, as long as it's got Predators and Aliens (and Predaliens) whuppin' the crap out of each other, like AVP2 did, then I'm happy.
😂 You dont even know what the fvck you are talking about. However, i cant blame you. Some people just have no taste in movies and some people just like being fed SHiiT. You liek the taste of shiit, dont you sir? I mean, instead of not making a good movie, due to budget. They make a shiit movie on a shoestring budget...,in what drug enduced fantasy land does this sound like a good idea?
you call me a fan boy..,yes, i i am a fan of good fvcking movies. EXCUSE THE MOTHER FVCKING shiit out of me. I enjoy alien, ALIENS, PRedator and even predator 2 for what it attempted. I will even give a pass to alien 3. Alien 3 created great atmosphere, but failed under shiity effects and a studio strangle hold. I EVEN enjoy AvP, by anderson, it was entertaining, in a cult b movie sort of way. BUT IN NO MOTHER FVCKING UNIVERSE can you or anyone else tell me that AvP2 had ANY god damn redeeming qualities. IT was insulting, thats how bad it was.
I dont want an entire platoon of fvcking predators...,but atleast give me more than ONE, you silly dim witted presumptuous hose brain. FVCK. i mean, what is wrong with sticking to what works? IF you knew anything of what you are talking about. You would then know that the COLONIAL MARINES are an integral aspect of the Alien and alien vs predator universe. In the comics and novels there is always marines with aliens...,it is apart of the god damn chemistry. I want action, buddy. If im paying to see aliens vs predator. I dont want to see a high school soap opera with even worse acting. I want intense mother fvcking action. Not something that is sparsed with short integrals of choppy, disorienting,to dark to see what the fvck is going on CLOSE UP SHOT action sequences.
No, Anderson had the same budget, he did a great job with he was given. HE knew what he was doing. When the aliens were on screen. I felt as though i was watching a xenomorph. When a predator was on screen. I felt as though i was seeing a god damn cosmic hunter. If you can honestly respect a studio which gives amateur directors the responsibility of producing a fan film, from an industry which was built on the loyalty "fanboys". With nothing but a spaghetti noodle and a shitty super 8 camera...,then you are everything that is wrong with the movie watching audience. THIS MOVIE IS BALLS> STAY AWAY and let these franchises die.
OH yeah, one more point. You say the scenario i give would cost 200million dollars. Do me a favor. use your internet computer machine and search the budgets for alien, aliens and predator. You know what, let me save your dumbass some trouble. the budget for ALiens alien and predator...,combined, are less than 30 million dollars. So, you know what the morale is?
GOOD FILMAKING!!!!!!!! yeah, you got ass raped by fox. They have no care or standards of what was produced. They knew you would go see it no matter what the quality was. As long as the main actors were teenagers...,thats your so called "new" direction. Appealing to the god damn generation that didnt grow up with, and support these two franchises for 20+ years. GTFO!!!!!
I didn't mind AVP-R as i wasn't expecting much due to special effects guys directing it(i didn't have high expectations.) maybe that is why i enjoyed it. The problem with it is that the directors took everything that the fans were saying to literally, so they tried to put everything in from the predator and aliens movies.
Reading some of the responses here, no way in hell can you have an AVP movie without humans how is any one going to watch a movie with no dialouge?
quote from bowfinger
But movies cost millions of dollars to make.
That's after gross net deduction profit percentage deferment ten percent of the nut. Cash, every movie cost $2,184.
I think it would be a good idea to bring in Adam Baldwin to reprise his role of Garber from predator 2 (alot of sci-fi fans know of him and he is great in chuck)
having said that here is my full idea for avp3
The movie will need some descent well know actors. Maybe Adam Baldwin could reprise his role from Predator 2 and play Garber, and have Jake Busey play the son of Peter Keys from Predator 2 and is the husband of Ms. Yutani from AVP-R. Also have someone play the role of Charles Bishop Weyland’s son so they can show them working together as a joint company.
It should start about a six months to a year after AVP-R, but it will have the company of now Weyland-Yutani Corp. back in Gunnison, Colorado examining the landing pod in the lake that the predator used in AVP-R then transporting it back to a research facility. Then you can show another team in Antarctica getting the frozen Alien Queen out of the water. Once they get her out, they transport her to the same Weyland-Yutani military research facility complete with military personnel, where they took the landing pod, on a remote tropical island somewhere. They thaw her out and chain her up, in order to produce more eggs. They then maybe have military prisoners and use them as hosts for the aliens.
There would have to be the inevitable disaster in order to get the Aliens to start running a muck. Then we see a ship that looks like the ship that was found in the first Alien movie and seen in the extended edition of Aliens, this ship is used by the Space Jockies (the big creature in the chair in Alien) and the Predators to transport Alien eggs to other hunting grounds. While they are passing by Earth they do a scan for the heat and conflict they crave and discover that the Aliens are running a muck on the tropical Island with the Weyland-Yutani installation.
So they cloak the ship and land at a remote spot on the island. All the Predators 3 leave the ship and the lone Space Jockey is left behind. Some scientists and military personnel at the facility noticed the atmospheric disturbance from the ship and see it land and with the thermal suits (Predator 2) they do a recon mission to the ship. They place a sophisticated homing device on the ship and return to the base. While this is going the remaining military personnel, scientists, Aliens and Predators are fighting it out on the island.
The Queen and a drone can end up escaping to the Predators / Space Jockey’s ship while there she can lay her egg that will house a face hugger with a Queen embryo. The Space Jockey is knocked out and then impregnated by the face hugger. All the Aliens are killed on the island and 1 Predator remains and boards the ship to leave. (There will be NO explosion to kill everything on the island) Once on course in space, the drone and queen emerge and a fight happens between them and the Predator. The drone is killed and melts a hole in the deck (Like the hole in Alien.) The predator gets fatally wounded but before he dies he kills the queen.
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a couple of hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hauls the carcasses to the airlock and jettisons them, he then hops into the big chair. Then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a nearby planet that looks like LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) then the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him, And then the Queen goes down the hole made by the drone while the ship crashes on LV-426. Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, cause it has the homing device on it.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I mean, instead of not making a good movie, due to budget. They make a shiit movie on a shoestring budget...,in what drug enduced fantasy land does this sound like a good idea?
You originally said that it would be "simple" to make a film where a space freighter crashes into an entire planet of Aliens. You throw a platoon of Colonial Marines and a large group of Predators into that mix... yeah, that's gonna be a big budget film. I really don't think a film like that could be made for $30 million. If I'm given the choice between no movie at all, because Fox won't risk the truckloads of cash it would take to bring your vision to life, or a smaller, more intimate AvP movie, much like the original "Alien", which had no "planet full of Aliens" or colonial marines - I'm gonna take the smaller film and enjoy it. Would I love a massive, big-budget AvP bonanza? Absolutely - especially since I'm not the one paying for it! But since nobody else seems to be stepping up to that multi-million dollar plate and takin' one for the fanboy team (of which I include myself, admittedly 😄), I'm happy to enjoy the smaller film with the action I like, rather than sulking and saying I want my dream movie or nothing at all.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
BUT IN NO MOTHER FVCKING UNIVERSE can you or anyone else tell me that AvP2 had ANY god damn redeeming qualities. IT was insulting, thats how bad it was.
Judging from the other posters on here, I would say there's plenty of us who found redeeming qualities in AvP:R - the $128 million dollars it made at the B.O. would tend to agree with me, too. 😉
Originally posted by ragesRemorse i mean, what is wrong with sticking to what works? IF you knew anything of what you are talking about. You would then know that the COLONIAL MARINES are an integral aspect of the Alien and alien vs predator universe. In the comics and novels there is always marines with aliens...,it is apart of the god damn chemistry.
I'm willing to concede the point on the comics, only because I'm not familiar enough with them to argue about them, but as for the films - the colonial marines were central to ONE movie - "Aliens". That's not exactly "integral to the universe" of the franchises. It may be an important part of the chemistry in the comics, but for the franchises that movie-going audiences are familiar with and love... not as much.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse As long as the main actors were teenagers...,thats your so called "new" direction.
Viewing AvP:R as just a stand-alone film, the teenager element fits perfectly, because it was in sync with the "modern horror setting" they were trying to give the film. Do I want to see them do it again in AvP 3? Not necessarily - we've already seen it now. I was just saying that I applauded for trying something different, rather than sitting down and saying "How can we make the exact same movie audiences have seen before", which is what much of your "dream movie" seems to be.
Originally posted by steverules
I'd like them to have a sort of closing, end AvP 3 with a leading into alien sorta thing
I wouldn't mind having a "closing chapter" like the one darthmaul1 described... except that I'm kind of hoping they'll make more than just 1 last AVP movie! How about darthmaul1's scenario as, say, AVP 10? 😛
Originally posted by crystallake
You originally said that it would be "simple" to make a film where a space freighter crashes into an entire planet of Aliens. You throw a platoon of Colonial Marines and a large group of Predators into that mix... yeah, that's gonna be a big budget film. I really don't think a film like that could be made for $30 million. If I'm given the choice between no movie at all, because Fox won't risk the truckloads of cash it would take to bring your vision to life, or a smaller, more intimate AvP movie, much like the original "Alien", which had no "planet full of Aliens" or colonial marines - I'm gonna take the smaller film and enjoy it. Would I love a massive, big-budget AvP bonanza? Absolutely - especially since I'm not the one paying for it! But since nobody else seems to be stepping up to that multi-million dollar plate and takin' one for the fanboy team (of which I include myself, admittedly 😄), I'm happy to enjoy the smaller film with the action I like, rather than sulking and saying I want my dream movie or nothing at all.Judging from the other posters on here, I would say there's plenty of us who found redeeming qualities in AvP:R - the $128 million dollars it made at the B.O. would tend to agree with me, too. 😉
I'm willing to concede the point on the comics, only because I'm not familiar enough with them to argue about them, but as for the films - the colonial marines were central to ONE movie - "Aliens". That's not exactly "integral to the universe" of the franchises. It may be an important part of the chemistry in the comics, but for the franchises that movie-going audiences are familiar with and love... not as much.
Viewing AvP:R as just a stand-alone film, the teenager element fits perfectly, because it was in sync with the "modern horror setting" they were trying to give the film. Do I want to see them do it again in AvP 3? Not necessarily - we've already seen it now. I was just saying that I applauded for trying something different, rather than sitting down and saying "How can we make the exact same movie audiences have seen before", which is what much of your "dream movie" seems to be.
Anderson made AVP for almost the same price as AVP2. There was more than one predator in that movie. Infact...,i counted three. I dont want "truckloads" of predators. I want more than one. Having A single predator take down a horde of aliens greatly takes away from the threat of the Alien character. The Aliens in AVP2 felt like disposable insects, much like the awful cast of the human characters.
You say there cannot be Colonial Marines because that would be, essentially remaking ALiens? But...,It is entirely ok to re-create the claustrophobic tone set in Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and predator? I thought AvP did a much better job at introducing the Predators and aliens as characters. The intimate sense of doom was much more apparent in the original AvP. AvP2 tried to be much more in your face and balls to the wall action, but the hands and eyes behind the camera lacked vision and technical skill. AvP2 wanted so badly to be more like ALIENS than Alien, so i do not see your point in preferring the intimate claustrophobia that AvP2 set. This is probably just a breakdown in personal preferences, but AvP2 was even riddled with silent homages to Aliens.
As far as the Colonial Marines. They offer a most perfect and competent excuse for the presence of humans. Personally, it sickens me that this franchise is trying to keep a series going in chronological order. There is absolutely no reason for these movies to follow a specific timeline. With no characters following over to each movie, it does nothing for the series but quell the possibilities. This is why we were presented with such a ridiculous premise in AvP2. The predators crashland in the middle of dawsons creek without being noticed. A single predator decides he is going to play rambo and leaves a PLANET of predators to go it alone. They dont have to be colonial marines, but at least a force that is more imposing than teenagers or scientists.
Of course the teenager element fits perfectly, thats the demographic the filmmakers and producers were appealing to. You applaud them for trying something different? They did NOTHING different. They loosely followed the formula set by cameron, scott and Mctiernan. The only thing which was different about AvP2 was the setting...THAT IS IT. Anderson did the same thing, but at least he was better able to capture the presence of the Alien and Predator. My dream movie is a competent story with intense action. Not Aliens mixed with Predator...,but even so, would that be such a bad thing? There is nothing you can do with these franchises that has not already been perfected. The people paying to see these movies only want to see aliens and predators fighting, nothing revolutionary. As a fan, i dont want to see choppy, dark action as filler between a teenage soap opera.
41 million US gross is a success for a movie of this budget. I'm glad it was a success in sales. I wouldnt mind seeing another attempt in the series, but as we all know. Sales gross by no means has anything to do with the quality of the film and little to say in the audiences reception.
I think Predator 2 was just as good as the first, it had different ideas but at least we got to see more of the Predator in action. Also they kept the original soundtrack which helped it enormously.
A Predator 3 would be welcome but you have to give it to either Mctiernan or to Stephen Hopkins (director of the 2nd) for it to work. I mean, you give part of the franchise to idiots and they came up with AVP.