Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Anderson made AVP for almost the same price as AVP2. There was more than one predator in that movie. Infact...,i counted three. I dont want "truckloads" of predators. I want more than one. Having A single predator take down a horde of aliens greatly takes away from the threat of the Alien character. The Aliens in AVP2 felt like disposable insects, much like the awful cast of the human characters.You say there cannot be Colonial Marines because that would be, essentially remaking ALiens? But...,It is entirely ok to re-create the claustrophobic tone set in Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and predator? I thought AvP did a much better job at introducing the Predators and aliens as characters. The intimate sense of doom was much more apparent in the original AvP. AvP2 tried to be much more in your face and balls to the wall action, but the hands and eyes behind the camera lacked vision and technical skill. AvP2 wanted so badly to be more like ALIENS than Alien, so i do not see your point in preferring the intimate claustrophobia that AvP2 set. This is probably just a breakdown in personal preferences, but AvP2 was even riddled with silent homages to Aliens.
As far as the Colonial Marines. They offer a most perfect and competent excuse for the presence of humans. Personally, it sickens me that this franchise is trying to keep a series going in chronological order. There is absolutely no reason for these movies to follow a specific timeline. With no characters following over to each movie, it does nothing for the series but quell the possibilities. This is why we were presented with such a ridiculous premise in AvP2. The predators crashland in the middle of dawsons creek without being noticed. A single predator decides he is going to play rambo and leaves a PLANET of predators to go it alone. They dont have to be colonial marines, but at least a force that is more imposing than teenagers or scientists.
Of course the teenager element fits perfectly, thats the demographic the filmmakers and producers were appealing to. You applaud them for trying something different? They did NOTHING different. They loosely followed the formula set by cameron, scott and Mctiernan. The only thing which was different about AvP2 was the setting...THAT IS IT. Anderson did the same thing, but at least he was better able to capture the presence of the Alien and Predator. My dream movie is a competent story with intense action. Not Aliens mixed with Predator...,but even so, would that be such a bad thing? There is nothing you can do with these franchises that has not already been perfected. The people paying to see these movies only want to see aliens and predators fighting, nothing revolutionary. As a fan, i dont want to see choppy, dark action as filler between a teenage soap opera.
41 million US gross is a success for a movie of this budget. I'm glad it was a success in sales. I wouldnt mind seeing another attempt in the series, but as we all know. Sales gross by no means has anything to do with the quality of the film and little to say in the audiences reception.
I still don't agree with some of your points, but it seems like this is going to eventually boil down to a "agree to disagree" scenario, and that's fine - I prefer the dark violence of AVP:R, whereas you seem to prefer the triple-Predator action of AVP. To each their own. Perhaps they'll combine 'em in AVP3, and we'll both be happy. 😄
The one thing I DO agree with you on, though, is your point about the AVP movies following a chronological order. It doesn't really bother me - I kinda liked how AVP's cliffhanger tied directly into the action in AVP:R - but this franchise IS one of the rare ones that has the ability to have completely seperate stand-alone episodes, and it would be fine. If one episode was set in present-day Antarctica and the next epidsoe was set 100 years in the future, I don't think anyone would particularly mind, since both the Predators and the Aliens seem a bit "future/timeless". While I don't have a problem with the way they've followed chronological order so far, I don't think the filmmakers should feel shackled to that concept, if they come up with an idea that goes somewhere else.
Just tie in the avp series to alien the way i suggested and then they could be free to go to what ever planet in what ever time
Predator 2 wasn't connected with the first Predator with the exception of seeing Anna's picutre and the mention of the 2 survivors and that the predator was there 10 years ago
By the way, I just finally picked up my copy of AvP:R on DVD yesterday - it's still awesome. 😄 I actually think the Unrated version is better than the version I saw in the theater; they added about 15 minutes of time back into the movie, and it really helps to flesh out some of the scenes, like the Predator discovering the wreckage of the ship on Earth. I don't know why they cut some of this stuff out of the theatrical release - it's really a better movie this way. Still, I'm glad I've got it now! 💃
I'd love to see a Predator 3, but I don't know if it needs to have Dutch make a return. I know the Alien movies have a recurring character in Ripley, but other than that, it doesn't seem necessary - Predator 2 didn't have anyone from the first Predator film, and AvP:R didn't have anyone from the first AVP movie, and neither of them felt out-of-place or lacking for me because of it; they were both cool movies that managed to stand on their own merits.
I think the Predator/Alien/AVP franchises all really lend themselves to "stand-alone" stories - why mess that up by unnecessarily returning to a character who's been gone for 20 years?
Originally posted by crystallake
By the way, I just finally picked up my copy of AvP:R on DVD yesterday - it's still awesome. 😄 I actually think the Unrated version is better than the version I saw in the theater; they added about 15 minutes of time back into the movie, and it really helps to flesh out some of the scenes, like the Predator discovering the wreckage of the ship on Earth. I don't know why they cut some of this stuff out of the theatrical release - it's really a better movie this way. Still, I'm glad I've got it now! 💃
I'm buying my copy of AVP: R on saturday. In the unrated version is the added time in deleted scenes or while watching the movie you see the 15 minutes during the film?
Also of note. Although the video game would make for a possible film, I think that a fresh brand new story based in outer space should be part 3
it's only like 8 minutes longer not 15 and it does make some of the scenes make more sense, like the smaller ship crashing and how there are only 2 or 3 preds on it.
and it is intergrated into the movie.
i think the pred that shows up after may be the dead preds father.
it is still quite dark on my tv i can't even make out the hawkins on the grave stone because i have the brightness turned down to get rid of the red squares around the tiefighters in star wars.
Originally posted by crystallake
I still don't agree with some of your points, but it seems like this is going to eventually boil down to a "agree to disagree" scenario, and that's fine - I prefer the dark violence of AVP:R, whereas you seem to prefer the triple-Predator action of AVP. To each their own. Perhaps they'll combine 'em in AVP3, and we'll both be happy. 😄The one thing I DO agree with you on, though, is your point about the AVP movies following a chronological order. It doesn't really bother me - I kinda liked how AVP's cliffhanger tied directly into the action in AVP:R - but this franchise IS one of the rare ones that has the ability to have completely seperate stand-alone episodes, and it would be fine. If one episode was set in present-day Antarctica and the next epidsoe was set 100 years in the future, I don't think anyone would particularly mind, since both the Predators and the Aliens seem a bit "future/timeless". While I don't have a problem with the way they've followed chronological order so far, I don't think the filmmakers should feel shackled to that concept, if they come up with an idea that goes somewhere else.
I prefer dark violence over mindless action too. Not saying there is anything wrong with the latter, but the aliens and predator series are known for building the tension to an intense release. I dont think this was accomplished in the slightest in AvP;R though, it was attempted. You're right though, no sense in arguing further.
I'm sure the producers want to keep the movies proceeding in a seamless timeline. They probably feel the audience couldnt accept anything otherwise 🙁
Originally posted by steverules
I was rather confused as to how it became this huge ship with most likely more than 2 predators plus one elder predator...to being a smaller looking ship with 2 predators.I was wondering why that pred seemed upset about that other pred being dead..what makes you think they are related DM1?
dude, dont even think on that one, it makes as much sense as the predator going out of his way to discreetly dispose of the alien bodies