Originally posted by Juntai
The Mongul training before OWAW where he learned to fight using all his powers at once. And during his fight with The Elite when Manchester Black -- a telepath -- couldn't even find him he was moving and fighting so fast.
I reiterate, when has Superman fought, reacted, or done anything other than fly at near light speeds? The range of Manchester Black's telepathy holds no bearing on Superman's fighting speed.
Who cares about detail 🙂
Supes wins
http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15460
JLA/ Avengers is canon 🙂
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeNone of The Elite could see him.
I reiterate, when has Superman fought, reacted, or done anything other than fly at near light speeds? The range of Manchester Black's telepathy holds no bearing on Superman's fighting speed.
And you're ignoring when I was talking about him fighting Mongul at near light speed, while using heat vision, and swinging. He's used it many times since then, even on Eradicator. Mongul taught him to use the tactic effectively.
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
And yes it says "but still within the character's personality," but his personality doesn't stop him from flying away from something.
But let me make something clear and that is I believe that THOR would win. But I also was saying that Superman is not going to just stand there and let lightning bolts hurt him. Even if one or two hits him, he won't die from it and I'm pretty sure that he is smart enough to move out the way for the next couple. 'Kay. 😉
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeUsually Captain Marvel is HOLDING him... in fact, I think everytime it's happened, he was holding him, or he was held or down or weakned for another reason already.
Query, Why doesn't Superman dodge lightning bolt from Captain Marvel? Has he ever done so?Perhaps CM's lightning is faster than Thors...
Originally posted by dawsey28
And yes it says "but still within the character's personality," but his personality doesn't stop him from flying away from something.But let me make something clear and that is I believe that [B]THOR
would win. But I also was saying that Superman is not going to just stand there and let lightning bolts hurt him. Even if one or two hits him, he won't die from it and I'm pretty sure that he is smart enough to move out the way for the next couple. 'Kay. 😉 [/B]
But he didn't win he got "hammered" 🙂
http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15460
Originally posted by dawsey28
And yes it says "but still within the character's personality," but his personality doesn't stop him from flying away from something.But let me make something clear and that is I believe that [B]THOR
would win. But I also was saying that Superman is not going to just stand there and let lightning bolts hurt him. Even if one or two hits him, he won't die from it and I'm pretty sure that he is smart enough to move out the way for the next couple. 'Kay. 😉 [/B]
And I'm not saying Supes couldn't win, or that Thor wins 100% of the time.
Superman isn't necessarily notorious for dodging, (neither is Thor,) and I'm not sure if he possesses the reflexive speed to dodge a bolt of lightning. Perhaps he does.
No, one bolt from Thor isn't going to put Superman down. It would take a ton of magic. At times, I may come across as "anti-Superman," but I'm really not, despite what some might believe.
Originally posted by Droopy
Last time I checked CM wasn't the god of thunder so if CM can hit him so can Thor. Well Thor does control lighting doesn't he, being a god and all. 😄
No? 😕 He has the Power of Zeus 😕 Isn't Zeus a storm god? 🙂
Oh yes - he is 🙂 Its not that "hard" "Droopy"
Keep the faith 🙂
Stay Whirly 🤘
Originally posted by DroopyThe lightning doesn't come from Captain Marvel himself, it comes from SHAZAM, who is part of the quintessence and nearly limitless power.
Last time I checked CM wasn't the god of thunder so if CM can hit him so can Thor. Well Thor does control lighting doesn't he, being a god and all. 😄
Originally posted by Juntai
Usually Captain Marvel is HOLDING him... in fact, I think everytime it's happened, he was holding him, or he was held or down or weakned for another reason already.
Not in the fights I've seen. Have you ever seen Superman avoid it?
Thor can actually manipulate lightning, and possibly even make it follow Superman.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
But he didn't win he got "hammered" 🙂http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15460
Thor's better than he was portrayed in JLA/Avengers. That was just one fight.
When has Superman ever lost in a crossover? He didn't even lose to Venom, who was kicking his ass for some time.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeZues is another member of Quintessence and is considered an equal of SHAZAM, not drawing his power from him.
CM isn't Zeus. He gets his power from SHAZAM who gets power from Zeus. Third hand lightning vs. first hand lightning. 😉
Originally posted by Droopy
Good point but this fight really depends on the writer 🙂
Thor's writers suck ass. If I hadn't read some of Thor's better showings, I'd say Superman curbstomps Thor too. Thor was powerful as hell when he was first created, but he continued to be dumbed down henceforth in continuity.
Originally posted by Juntai
Zues is another member of Quintessence and is considered an equal of SHAZAM, not drawing his power from him.
If that were the truth. Teth-Adam's powers wouldn't be egyptian gods. [As he's the original CM.]
Shazam does get power from Zeus. That's what the Z in his name stands for.