Originally posted by SoujaboyAlot of times speed is a huge factror. Especially in real fights.
It's true that Superman speed advantage is greater during flight, and in running speed. When I think about it though, when fighting characters with superior speed he is able to keep up in terms of combat speed, and reflexes. I may be wrong, but I don't see speed as the deciding factor in this fight. 😬
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Alot of times speed is a huge factror. Especially in real fights.
unfortunately thats not how things work in comics, although I truly Believe superman would win this fight. We all know that superman can use his speed in fights and take opponents out before they can blink but he chooses to engage in a slug fest with most of them. And then again we all know Thor has more versatility with his Hammer but in combat against opponents he chooses to use the hammer to bash his opponents heads in rather than use it wisely. And thor with a Hammer Vs Superman = Superman winning.
Originally posted by sexykingYeah, people don't like the speedblitz, but Superman does it often enough for to be completely viable in most threads. Usually he'll take blows and try to figure out what's going on, then lays it down. It's been specifically said on panel that that is what he does.
unfortunately thats not how things work in comics, although I truly Believe superman would win this fight. We all know that superman can use his speed in fights and take opponents out before they can blink but he chooses to engage in a slug fest with most of them. And then again we all know Thor has more versatility with his Hammer but in combat against opponents he chooses to use the hammer to bash his opponents heads in rather than use it wisely. And thor with a Hammer Vs Superman = Superman winning.
Speedblitz has become the most popular crap things when Superman is in a topic.
Beings like, Hela, Asgardian goddess and ruler of his own Underworld dimension, and Adam Warlock, stated Thor can achieve superhuman speed they both described as unbelievable when Thor fought Hela, and fast as the lightning he commands, when Thor fought the Infinity Watch.
Thor isn't portrayed as a speedster hero, cause he possess the reflexes to match someone who relies on speedblitzing or perform bursts of speed to try catching him off guard.
Superman is fast?Well he doesn't accelerate instantly to lightspeed, or him moving at Mach speeds, isn't something cannot handle.
He travelled in space and can manouver Mjolnir while moving at FTL speeds to dodge objects, so what make you think Superman's speed is an issue to Thor, is beyond my comprehension.
You question Thor's durability, but not mention, that Superman's resistance to injury, can be argued too.
Darkseid admitted the Source has enhanced Superman's resistance to Omega Effect to gave him the chance of beating him.
On a neutral field, Superman has no Source enhancements, so Anti-Force, Anti-Matter blasta, and the GodForce, are all tricks he cannot handle as well as you may believe
Originally posted by K3VIL
Speedblitz has become the most popular crap things when Superman is in a topic.
Beings like, Hela, Asgardian goddess and ruler of his own Underworld dimension, and Adam Warlock, stated Thor can achieve superhuman speed they both described as unbelievable when Thor fought Hela, and fast as the lightning he commands, when Thor fought the Infinity Watch.
Thor isn't portrayed as a speedster hero, cause he possess the reflexes to match someone who relies on speedblitzing or perform bursts of speed to try catching him off guard.
Superman is fast?Well he doesn't accelerate instantly to lightspeed, or him moving at Mach speeds, isn't something cannot handle.
He travelled in space and can manouver Mjolnir while moving at FTL speeds to dodge objects, so what make you think Superman's speed is an issue to Thor, is beyond my comprehension.
You question Thor's durability, but not mention, that Superman's resistance to injury, can be argued too.
Darkseid admitted the Source has enhanced Superman's resistance to Omega Effect to gave him the chance of beating him.
On a neutral field, Superman has no Source enhancements, so Anti-Force, Anti-Matter blasta, and the GodForce, are all tricks he cannot handle as well as you may believe
I concur!
Originally posted by K3VIL✅
Speedblitz has become the most popular crap things when Superman is in a topic.
Beings like, Hela, Asgardian goddess and ruler of his own Underworld dimension, and Adam Warlock, stated Thor can achieve superhuman speed they both described as unbelievable when Thor fought Hela, and fast as the lightning he commands, when Thor fought the Infinity Watch.
Thor isn't portrayed as a speedster hero, cause he possess the reflexes to match someone who relies on speedblitzing or perform bursts of speed to try catching him off guard.
Superman is fast?Well he doesn't accelerate instantly to lightspeed, or him moving at Mach speeds, isn't something cannot handle.
He travelled in space and can manouver Mjolnir while moving at FTL speeds to dodge objects, so what make you think Superman's speed is an issue to Thor, is beyond my comprehension.
You question Thor's durability, but not mention, that Superman's resistance to injury, can be argued too.
Darkseid admitted the Source has enhanced Superman's resistance to Omega Effect to gave him the chance of beating him.
On a neutral field, Superman has no Source enhancements, so Anti-Force, Anti-Matter blasta, and the GodForce, are all tricks he cannot handle as well as you may believe
A friend sent me this:
"I'm a big fan of both characters, and have been collecting issue starring both characters for a while now. Just for the record, Supes would have no chance against Odin-powered Thor. A regular match would be close though. Based on what I've read, I don't think Supes could takes the Thunder god. 1) Supes can be hurt by electricity. I've seen Supes get taken down by villains with Electricity-based powers on tons of occassions. 2) Supes is vulnerable to magic...Thor's powers are all magic based. 3) Thor has thousands of years of battle experience on Supes. 4) That JLA/Avengers fight was silly...especially the "dials go up to 11" part. They've always been even in strength, based on what I've read. Thor lifted the Midgard serpent, which supposedly weighs as much as the Earth, and Supes did something similar with lifting the Earth. Oh, and Thor has that belt that doubles his strength, so if he wore it when they fought, he'd be stronger than Supes, but that's cheating. 5)Thor DOES have super speed, he just doesn't use it very often. Marvel's power charts rate him a 7 out of 7 on speed. This might be because he can teleport, but I'd take teleportation over super speed any day. And although he needs his hammer to fly, according to Thor, his hammer is like his right arm. It's always there, and it obeys his every command, and it always returns to him. In his recent issues b4 his Godsleep, Thor didn't need to hold his hammer for him to Fly, he would levitate and fly as long as it was around him. 6) Though he only uses it in dire situations, Thor knows Asgardian magic. 7) the guy has full control over the weather. I'd rather have that than heat vision and ice breath. 8) Thor is more experience fighting people around his power level than Supes, and he's beaten Superman-lite b4 (Hyperion). Thor has fought Nefaria and Hyperion (so yes, he is used to fighting someone with Super-speed), Thanos, beaten Captain Marvel (Shazam), Hulk, Thing, he's beaten the Silver Surfer (the most powerful hero in comics), Beta Ray Bill, Hercules, Zeus, Ares, Tyr, and countless other gods, Galactus, Kurse, etc etc i could go on forever. Actually, Thor ONLY fightsSuperman fights some heavyweights too, but not nearly as many as Thor.
The Thunder God over Supes 6.5 (6 or 7) out of 10"
And this:
"That's not what I was saying. I'm well aware that Supes has been in big fights too. I COLLECT Superman comics. I remember when he fought each guy you mentioned. What I was saying is that Supes doesn't fight people on his power level everytime he fights. I remember a couple of times when Supes went a whole comic year (12 issues) without fighting someone that was physically on his level. A lotta the time he'll just beat the snot outta lowly criminals, and medium-powered villains. Thor ONLY fights people on his power-level, and he's already faced people who are Superman-like, or people on Supes Power level (Hyperion, Gladiator, Nefaria, etc.). You want any further proof of how powerful Thor is, check out the issue where the thunder god goes blow for blow with Thanos, who is Darkseid level power. It's a fact that Thor faces Heavyweights more often than Superman. Or when Thor killed Desak, destroyer of gods. Or when he takes on Kurse. Or when he chooses to go blow for blow with the Hulk instead of repeatedly frying him with electricity. Thor never arrests bankrobbers and stuff like that. He only fights powerful heavyweights. I'm also aware of Kryptonian Technology, only Superman never uses it. Ever. Only thing I can ever remember him using was the Mother Box against Doomsday. Supes does not use Kryptonian Tech. The Krytonians ARE godlike. I'm not disputing that. They're immortal and immune to diseases like the gods. Supes does also have that never give up willpower, but so does Thor though, and Thor might have even a bigger chip on his shoulder when it comes to not giving up than Supes does because of his godly heritage. I don't agree on the Supes not knowing his limits part. There's been plenty of times where Supes used too much heat vison or some else like that an exhausting himself. Now think about this for a second. What would you rather have if you had to choose between the two...An out of control Superman, or an out of control Thunder god? At least with Supes, they can just have Diana, Captain Marvel, Dr. Fate and the Green Lantern take him down...cause Supes is just super speed, super strength, flight, invulnerabilty and heat vision. He IS dangerous, but push come to shove, they would only need those guys to contain him. Or they could just get some kryptonite. If Thor went crazy, there's no way to be positive that he could be contained. For one, you'd have to worry about lightning storms, hurricanes, tornados, hail, floods and all that, but you also have to worry about the asgardian magic and spells. Then you have to worry about his strength, and the fact that he could open up black holes and rifts in space. It might take the entire Marvel U. to take him down. Thor's just too powerful for Supes if he used the tools at his disposal. If it got into a straight fist fight it could go either way, but if Thor started letting loose and using his powers, Supes would pretty much be done for, even though it would be a good fight."
Do you guys agree?
I don't agree with the "whole MU to take him down", but yes, we know Thor is a great force to reckon with.I prefer Thor over Supes but I do not dislike him.I own both many comics of them, including many of their battle royals, like Imperiex, Doomsday, Gog, Eclipso, for Supes and the fights with Kurse, Thanos, the Infinity Watch etc. for Thor.
I do have the informations to state that Thor has more powers at his disposal.Removing Mjolnir from his hands, will surely make him less strong physically, but he'll still be a top rank Class 100 hero.His weather control, and the ability to summon magical lightnings doesn't depend from Mjolnir, the hammer just aid him focusing more power and enhancing those abilities.When he goes bloodlust, the famous Warrior Madness mode, he's not like Superman going bloodlust.Thor has killed many times his enemies, despite being an Avenger, cause he deals with forces beyond the power of many earth heroes and must decide to land the fathal blow if it's necessary.He fought on daily basis, for millennia, armies of trolls, wars with Olympus, alien invaders, and so the list continues.He has experience in battle over Supes, who is around from less time.Thor as also an edge when it comes to his resistances, as sayed from RUNMAN friend.
Superman:
red sun radiations, green kryptonite, magical energies of sufficient power.
Thor:
He has great resistance against all forms of attacks, even telepathy should be of a high level, like that of the Exemplar Bedlam, to stop him.
Magic to him, is like Power Cosmic, he can resist well to both them, he hasn't a specific weakness.
It take a great amount of power, both on physical and energy sectors to stop Thor, and containing someone which can unleash a cosmic storm that will annihilate most things on his path, lightnings, and with his godlike physical abilities and the magical energies the hammer can emit, it's an array of abilities, above those of Supes.
Superman has heat vision, which can be powerful enough to hurt powerhouses on his level and above, but it's not something Thor hasn't handled before.A tough fight, but Thor takes this 7/10
Originally posted by K3VIL
I don't agree with the "whole MU to take him down", but yes, we know Thor is a great force to reckon with.I prefer Thor over Supes but I do not dislike him.I own both many comics of them, including many of their battle royals, like Imperiex, Doomsday, Gog, Eclipso, for Supes and the fights with Kurse, Thanos, the Infinity Watch etc. for Thor.
I do have the informations to state that Thor has more powers at his disposal.Removing Mjolnir from his hands, will surely make him less strong physically, but he'll still be a top rank Class 100 hero.His weather control, and the ability to summon magical lightnings doesn't depend from Mjolnir, the hammer just aid him focusing more power and enhancing those abilities.When he goes bloodlust, the famous Warrior Madness mode, he's not like Superman going bloodlust.Thor has killed many times his enemies, despite being an Avenger, cause he deals with forces beyond the power of many earth heroes and must decide to land the fathal blow if it's necessary.He fought on daily basis, for millennia, armies of trolls, wars with Olympus, alien invaders, and so the list continues.He has experience in battle over Supes, who is around from less time.Thor as also an edge when it comes to his resistances, as sayed from RUNMAN friend.
Superman:
red sun radiations, green kryptonite, magical energies of sufficient power.
Thor:
He has great resistance against all forms of attacks, even telepathy should be of a high level, like that of the Exemplar Bedlam, to stop him.
Magic to him, is like Power Cosmic, he can resist well to both them, he hasn't a specific weakness.
It take a great amount of power, both on physical and energy sectors to stop Thor, and containing someone which can unleash a cosmic storm that will annihilate most things on his path, lightnings, and with his godlike physical abilities and the magical energies the hammer can emit, it's an array of abilities, above those of Supes.
Superman has heat vision, which can be powerful enough to hurt powerhouses on his level and above, but it's not something Thor hasn't handled before.A tough fight, but Thor takes this 7/10
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Originally posted by K3VIL
I don't agree with the "whole MU to take him down", but yes, we know Thor is a great force to reckon with.I prefer Thor over Supes but I do not dislike him.I own both many comics of them, including many of their battle royals, like Imperiex, Doomsday, Gog, Eclipso, for Supes and the fights with Kurse, Thanos, the Infinity Watch etc. for Thor.
I do have the informations to state that Thor has more powers at his disposal.Removing Mjolnir from his hands, will surely make him less strong physically, but he'll still be a top rank Class 100 hero.His weather control, and the ability to summon magical lightnings doesn't depend from Mjolnir, the hammer just aid him focusing more power and enhancing those abilities.When he goes bloodlust, the famous Warrior Madness mode, he's not like Superman going bloodlust.Thor has killed many times his enemies, despite being an Avenger, cause he deals with forces beyond the power of many earth heroes and must decide to land the fathal blow if it's necessary.He fought on daily basis, for millennia, armies of trolls, wars with Olympus, alien invaders, and so the list continues.He has experience in battle over Supes, who is around from less time.Thor as also an edge when it comes to his resistances, as sayed from RUNMAN friend.
Superman:
red sun radiations, green kryptonite, magical energies of sufficient power.
Thor:
He has great resistance against all forms of attacks, even telepathy should be of a high level, like that of the Exemplar Bedlam, to stop him.
Magic to him, is like Power Cosmic, he can resist well to both them, he hasn't a specific weakness.
It take a great amount of power, both on physical and energy sectors to stop Thor, and containing someone which can unleash a cosmic storm that will annihilate most things on his path, lightnings, and with his godlike physical abilities and the magical energies the hammer can emit, it's an array of abilities, above those of Supes.
Superman has heat vision, which can be powerful enough to hurt powerhouses on his level and above, but it's not something Thor hasn't handled before.A tough fight, but Thor takes this 7/10
Yep Thor wins
Has Thor EVer had a overwhelmingly great showing over Gladiator. ( to me he's the most matched marvel character to supers any day). I remember when glads fought thor and WOnderman on differnt sides of the planet at the same time. Thor is gonna probaly pull 5/10 wins against superman. Maybe 6 if he starts tinkering around with some magic. I dont' think for one minute superman can withstand the godforce for more than a few seconds. but with someone as fast as supers, that's all you need. You guys givn Thor too much credit. But his magic based power can put supers down at LEAST half the time.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has Thor EVer had a overwhelmingly great showing over Gladiator. ( to me he's the most matched marvel character to supers any day). I remember when glads fought thor and WOnderman on differnt sides of the planet at the same time. Thor is gonna probaly pull 5/10 wins against superman. Maybe 6 if he starts tinkering around with some magic. I dont' think for one minute superman can withstand the godforce for more than a few seconds. but with someone as fast as supers, that's all you need. You guys givn Thor too much credit. But his magic based power can put supers down at LEAST half the time.
Yes Thor has. Gladiator even went as far as to say that the Thunder god is too powerful for him.😉
We give Thor too much credit? Nah.
It's not only the magic that defeats Superman, many of Thor's other exotic powers would surely be enough to take him down. Mjolnir enables Thor to use anti matter blast, anti force blast, steal souls, create force fields, absorb energy, shrink his opponents, absorb and re-channel energy, open dimensional rifts, etc, etc.
Thats just with the hammer
Without it, he's able to ex-cert godly energies in the form of blast and powerful attacks. He can cause massive storms that have been known to cover the entire surface of planets. Not to mention his strength, which is ranked amongst the best in the MU.
In all honestly, without the speed advantage Thor could take this fight 8 to 9/10.😬
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has Thor EVer had a overwhelmingly great showing over Gladiator. ( to me he's the most matched marvel character to supers any day). I remember when glads fought thor and WOnderman on differnt sides of the planet at the same time. Thor is gonna probaly pull 5/10 wins against superman. Maybe 6 if he starts tinkering around with some magic
22) ANTI-MATTER PARTICLES: Thor's hammer can manufacture Anti-Matter particles. These particles could potentially erase anyone, or anything from existence. It’s little wonder why Kang’s Anti-Matter Screen that’s capable of instantly disintegrating any Earthly matter did not affected Thor’s hammer in the least-See Avengers-#8 (vol.1).
23) ALPHA PARTICLES: Thor’s hammer can harness Alpha Particles from the atmosphere and could use it to Atomize any weaponry, JIM-#102.
24) INTERDIMENSIONAL ENERGY: Thor’s hammer can tap or attract quantities of Interdimensional Matrix energy (In this case, Matrix meaning from the main or principal source). This is certainly an extraordinary significant power and ability-Thor-#395.
28) ANTI-GRAVITY: (SOMETIMES, MISTAKENLY CALLED ANTI-FORCE): A power that can literally Physically incapacitates his opponent, and sent then where they came from. Thor did this to the Super-Skrull when he sent him from Earth to his space ship in Earth's orbit. The Super-Skrull said, "I AM HELPLESS—caught in the grip of a FORCE I cannot begin to comprehend!" This power is similar to that of Graviton. Another such example occurred when Beta Ray Bill-Thor- #440- repelled the Giant Uroc upward against gravity to the surprise of both Dargo and Thundestrike.
29) ANTI-FORCE: The full power of the Anti-Force is so unbelievably powerful and the fury of such blast is so indescribable that Thor, with just one blast, once took out an entire Battalion of Barbarians along with Boulders, and a Giant Tank that was literally ripped to shreds against that devastating onslaught-Thor-#205. In terms of range, Thor’s Anti-Force could cover a wide area. In Thor-#207, Thor was trapped by Giant Boulders, and with just one Power-Blast the Giant Boulders were torn to pieces. Against Ego, Thor destroyed an entire Building thrown at Thor at close range with another Power-Blast-Thor-#203.
Originally posted by K3VIL
"with some magic".
You talk like Thor makes rabbits coming out hats.
12) ELEMENTAL POWERS: That can transcend to other dimensions, and or space and time (see-Thor#188). No other Superhero in the Multiverse has that scope of elemental powers. In addition, Thor’s hammer can tap, practically, on just about any Elemental Phenomenon in the Cosmos, like, for example, the limitless energy of a Maelstrom and used that energy as a Cosmic weapon. A Celestial Maelstrom can literally drag large Meteors, or Asteroids around at Fantastic Speed-Thor-#261. The power of a Hurricane is next to nothing compare to the devastating power of a Celestial Maelstrom. Also, Thor’s power can create Thunderstorm, Tidal Waves, and exploding Volcanoes on a Planetary scale-Journey Into Mystery-#94. In fact, if, somehow, Thor’s hammer is unmade the consequences are unthinkable and cataclysmic: Not only Erupting Volcano’s worldwide, Tidal Waves would immediately ensue, but Impact of Celestial bodies, as well- Avengers-#330. Also, Thor can use the power of the storm at a moment’s notice. For instance, Thor used a spear of wind, or an indescribable powerful tornado, that he literally pushed against Surtur, that cause Surtur to say: "NEVER HAVE I FELT SUCH FORCE!" And, in that same issue, Thor used the power of the Storm to divert an Asteroid from it’s course and hurl it against Surtur-Thor-#177. In addition, Thor’s power over the Storm can create enough suction to whisk famous landmarks like the Eiffel Tower into the Atmosphere-JIM-#94.
20) COSMIC ENERGY: Thor's hammer can produce Cosmic Energy (Avengers#5).
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I never knew you knew so much about Thor?
Originally posted by K3VIL
"with some magic".
You talk like Thor makes rabbits coming out hats.
12) ELEMENTAL POWERS: That can transcend to other dimensions, and or space and time (see-Thor#188). No other Superhero in the Multiverse has that scope of elemental powers. In addition, Thor’s hammer can tap, practically, on just about any Elemental Phenomenon in the Cosmos, like, for example, the limitless energy of a Maelstrom and used that energy as a Cosmic weapon. A Celestial Maelstrom can literally drag large Meteors, or Asteroids around at Fantastic Speed-Thor-#261. The power of a Hurricane is next to nothing compare to the devastating power of a Celestial Maelstrom. Also, Thor’s power can create Thunderstorm, Tidal Waves, and exploding Volcanoes on a Planetary scale-Journey Into Mystery-#94. In fact, if, somehow, Thor’s hammer is unmade the consequences are unthinkable and cataclysmic: Not only Erupting Volcano’s worldwide, Tidal Waves would immediately ensue, but Impact of Celestial bodies, as well- Avengers-#330. Also, Thor can use the power of the storm at a moment’s notice. For instance, Thor used a spear of wind, or an indescribable powerful tornado, that he literally pushed against Surtur, that cause Surtur to say: "NEVER HAVE I FELT SUCH FORCE!" And, in that same issue, Thor used the power of the Storm to divert an Asteroid from it’s course and hurl it against Surtur-Thor-#177. In addition, Thor’s power over the Storm can create enough suction to whisk famous landmarks like the Eiffel Tower into the Atmosphere-JIM-#94.
20) COSMIC ENERGY: Thor's hammer can produce Cosmic Energy (Avengers#5).
The Red Tornado outside of his android body is the most powerful elemental in comics.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has Thor EVer had a overwhelmingly great showing over Gladiator. ( to me he's the most matched marvel character to supers any day). I remember when glads fought thor and WOnderman on differnt sides of the planet at the same time. Thor is gonna probaly pull 5/10 wins against superman. Maybe 6 if he starts tinkering around with some magic. I dont' think for one minute superman can withstand the godforce for more than a few seconds. but with someone as fast as supers, that's all you need. You guys givn Thor too much credit. But his magic based power can put supers down at LEAST half the time.
A fake Thor beat Glads