things is kg, you (generic you, as in glads' fans) ALWAYS have to rely on the excuse that it was bad writing, or that he wasn't used to his potential. as i said, he has never dodged attacks as supes has, he has never done more than charge an opponent at superspeed. i said it before - thor can fly at near light speed, but in battle he can't attack that fast. (ie he can't throw punches even at spidey speed as evidenced when thor couldn't lay a hand on webhead, nor does he dodge like supes or spidey) it seems to be that way with glads. in every one of your speed examples, he is flying or running as a charge, but once it gets in close, he becomes just another brawler. if he ever used his speed the way supes does - to make opponents look stupid because they can't even HIT him! (good scans snoop!) - then i'll concede that glads' speed is too much for thor. as it is, in h2h, it's just a brawl and glads' loses. as almost EVERYONE does to thor! and his vision (like supes) would likely never hit thor. the hammer ensures that. and in the first part of their battle in #35, thor was holding back because he thought glads' was a friend. who sneak attacked whom . . .?
seriously, the difference between supes and glads in my opinion is the way they utilize their speed advantages. supes uses his much more effectively as has been demonstrated in multiple scans, hence my belief that supes can win his share of these fights. glads charges then brawls. then loses. sorry bro, them's just the facts until i see scans showing me something different. and he still has yet to win a fight against any of marvel's big boys.
Originally posted by leonidas
things is kg, you (generic you, as in glads' fans) ALWAYS have to rely on the excuse that it was bad writing, or that he wasn't used to his potential. as i said, he has never dodged attacks as supes has, he has never done more than charge an opponent at superspeed. i said it before - thor can fly at near light speed, but in battle he can't attack that fast. (ie he can't throw punches even at spidey speed as evidenced when thor couldn't lay a hand on webhead, nor does he dodge like supes or spidey) it seems to be that way with glads. in every one of your speed examples, he is flying or running as a charge, but once it gets in close, he becomes just another brawler. if he ever used his speed the way supes does - to make opponents look stupid because they can't even HIT him! (good scans snoop!) - then i'll concede that glads' speed is too much for thor. as it is, in h2h, it's just a brawl and glads' loses. as almost EVERYONE does to thor! and his vision (like supes) would likely never hit thor. the hammer ensures that. and in the first part of their battle in #35, thor was holding back because he thought glads' was a friend. who sneak attacked whom . . .?seriously, the difference between supes and glads in my opinion is the way they utilize their speed advantages. supes uses his much more effectively as has been demonstrated in multiple scans, hence my belief that supes can win his share of these fights. glads charges then brawls. then loses. sorry bro, them's just the facts until i see scans showing me something different. and he still has yet to win a fight against any of marvel's big boys.
You and I both know that writer has never used his speed , because it will make him nearly unstoppable
When ever they do you have seen the results
Like I said this is a forum.
As for Gladiator not showing all his speed abilities how many comics is glad in? 10-15
Superman is a DC icon has 1000's of comics
One thing has always been clear that Gladiator is a Pre Crisis copy
cube, can you say upgrade . . .? maybe dc is finally getting sick of all of marvel's characters surpassing him? say what you will about him, he (with batman, i guess) is still dc's flagship and with all the power ups going on, it's about time they hit supes. i also believe in the near future they'll be developing his mental powers. then we might as well be back to the pre-c days . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
cube, can you say upgrade . . .? maybe dc is finally getting sick of all of marvel's characters surpassing him? say what you will about him, he (with batman, i guess) is still dc's flagship and with all the power ups going on, it's about time they hit supes. i also believe in the near future they'll be developing his mental powers. then we might as well be back to the pre-c days . . .
Hey, look at Spiderman.
Current Superman doesn't dodge attacks like Post-Imperiex Supes did. The truth is, Gladiator does use his speed in battle, similarly to the way current Superman does.
<<One thing has always been clear that Gladiator is a Pre Crisis copy>>
so? just because he's a copy means nothing. he is NOT pre-c supes. i could list a dozen things pre-c supes did in his career that glads will NEVER be able to do (create a star by physically ramming 2 moons together with force enough to generate FUSION! fly fast enough to pierce the time barrier, hurl a warship the size of an aircraft carrier into another GALAXY! not to mention all his other powers - hypnotism, vibrate intangible, loads of vision powers) and on and on. glads is indeed a copy, but a watered-down copy. it's not a good argument to use.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<One thing has always been clear that Gladiator is a Pre Crisis copy>>so? just because he's a copy means nothing. he is NOT pre-c supes. i could list a dozen things pre-c supes did in his career that glads will NEVER be able to do (create a star by physically ramming 2 moons together with force enough to generate FUSION! fly fast enough to pierce the time barrier, hurl a warship the size of an aircraft carrier into another GALAXY! not to mention all his other powers - hypnotism, vibrate intangible, loads of vision powers) and on and on. glads is indeed a copy, but a watered-down copy. it's not a good argument to use.
-Create a star by physically ramming 2 moons together with force enough to generate FUSION --------- this is just stupid, doesn't make sense . That’s pre crisis for you
Fly fast enough to pierce the time barrier - In marvel anybody who can go faster than light can break the time barrier, and travel back in time.
Hurl a warship the size of an aircraft carrier into another GALAXY! ------- Hurt astoid , and planet size objects 🙂
Hypnotism, vibrate intangible, loads of vision powers ----- maybe Gladiator can do all that ---- only has few comics hard to tell.
He already has Heat vision (hotter than hottest stars) , he can see through stuff like superman , vibrate intangible ( why couldn't he do it?) --- like I said the more and more Gladiator new powers are added.
Superman has 1000’s gladiator is only in like 15-20
He is a rip off , you don't like it doesn't change the fact.
<<Current Superman doesn't dodge attacks like Post-Imperiex Supes did. The truth is, Gladiator does use his speed in battle, similarly to the way current Superman does.>>
i've never seen it, nor has kg provided evidence to suggest this is true. he charges, that's it, then he stands and brawls. supes uses his speed in much more effective ways in battle ie - to avoid hits and hit multiple times before his opponent can even react. i've never seen glads do that. even kg says that it's because if they do, he'd be invincible. well, supes does and he still loses at times. but, when glads finally DOES use his speed properly, we'll all know it because kg will post a 1000 scans of it! then i'll admit glads speed should be enough to get him some wins - like i believe supes speed does here. until then, i say he can fly at superspeed (like thor) but, like thor, not brawl or fight at those same speeds. maybe someday he WILL do that, til then, and until he beats someone important . . .
<<-Create a star by physically ramming 2 moons together with force enough to generate FUSION --------- this is just stupid, doesn't make sense . That’s pre crisis for you>>
you don't get it, huh? logic doesn't matter with pre-c. that's why glads will never be him. his powers at times defied logic. savage hulk could not EVEN MOVE (let alone hurt or ko) PRE-C SUPES!! we saw what a watered down hulk did to glads.
<<Fly fast enough to pierce the time barrier - In marvel anybody who can go faster than light can break the time barrier, and travel back in time.>>
huh? marvel characters typically enter hyperspce - prevents them from ripping space. when has any marvel character, at will, been able to fly back in time?
as for how do i know he doesn't have these other powers? what makes you think he does?! dude, seriously, compare him to current supes, don't compare him to pre-c supes. he's a copy, fine, he's just a lesser copy.
Originally posted by leonidas
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you don't get it, huh? logic doesn't matter with pre-c. that's why glads will never be him. his powers at times defied logic. savage hulk could not EVEN MOVE (let alone hurt or ko) PRE-C SUPES!! we saw what a watered down hulk did to glads.
huh? marvel characters typically enter hyperspce - prevents them from ripping space. when has any marvel character, at will, been able to fly back in time?
as for how do i know he doesn't have these other powers? what makes you think he does?! dude, seriously, compare him to current supes, don't compare him to pre-c supes. he's a copy, fine, he's just a lesser
Ego , Thanos , Hyperion , Ron , Blowing Planets , serving Solar system desroying attack , 100 light Speed , Heat ( hotter than hottest Stars) , Vision hold as void hmmmmmmmmmmm should i go on.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<-Create a star by physically ramming 2 moons together with force enough to generate FUSION --------- this is just stupid, doesn't make sense . That’s pre crisis for you>>you don't get it, huh? logic doesn't matter with pre-c. that's why glads will never be him. his powers at times defied logic. savage hulk could not EVEN MOVE (let alone hurt or ko) PRE-C SUPES!! we saw what a watered down hulk did to glads.
<<Fly fast enough to pierce the time barrier - In marvel anybody who can go faster than light can break the time barrier, and travel back in time.>>
huh? marvel characters typically enter hyperspce - prevents them from ripping space. when has any marvel character, at will, been able to fly back in time?
as for how do i know he doesn't have these other powers? what makes you think he does?! dude, seriously, compare him to current supes, don't compare him to pre-c supes. he's a copy, fine, he's just a lesser copy.
Savage Hulk punched PC Supes clear out of Metropolis. 😉
The Silver Surfer has traveled through time more than once. He doesn't enter hyperspace, either.
<<Savage Hulk punched PC Supes clear out of Metropolis.>>
i could fetch a scan proving my point, but it's a treasury x-over and don't really want to fetch it out of hiding. AND it has been scanned in this thread somewhere a ways back if you REALLY don't believe me. supes said he's simply decided enough was enough, and would let hulk wear himself down beating on him because NOTHING can move supes if he doesn't want to move. seriously, look for the scan if you don't believe me. it's here somewhere. maybe snoop has another copy.
<<The Silver Surfer has traveled through time more than once. He doesn't enter hyperspace, either.>>
damn, somehow i thought he did . . . but wasn't there something more to it than his simply choosing to go back in time? i was almost sure of it. otherwise, why doesn't he do it more? and who else has done so in marvel? there are loads of FTL guys around.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Savage Hulk punched PC Supes clear out of Metropolis.>>i could fetch a scan proving my point, but it's a treasury x-over and don't really want to fetch it out of hiding. AND it has been scanned in this thread somewhere a ways back if you REALLY don't believe me. supes said he's simply decided enough was enough, and would let hulk wear himself down beating on him because NOTHING can move supes if he doesn't want to move. seriously, look for the scan if you don't believe me. it's here somewhere. maybe snoop has another copy.
<<The Silver Surfer has traveled through time more than once. He doesn't enter hyperspace, either.>>
damn, somehow i thought he did . . . but wasn't there something more to it than his simply choosing to go back in time? i was almost sure of it. otherwise, why doesn't he do it more? and who else has done so in marvel? there are loads of FTL guys around.
I have the crossover. Superman withstands Hulk's first blow, he blocks the next, and before Hulk lands the third blow, Supes destroys the noisemaker that was making Hulk mad. He didn't calm Hulk down by letting him punch him.
Silver Surfer traveled back in time quite easily, with great precision, and no outside help. Why would he go back in time more often? Using powers like intangibilty and time control in fights is cheesy. None of Marvel's writers write like that. They try thier best not to use superspeed in fights.
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i could fetch a scan proving my point, but it's a treasury x-over and don't really want to fetch it out of hiding. AND it has been scanned in this thread somewhere a ways back if you REALLY don't believe me. supes said he's simply decided enough was enough, and would let hulk wear himself down beating on him because NOTHING can move supes if he doesn't want to move. seriously, look for the scan if you don't believe me. it's here somewhere. maybe snoop has another copy.
damn, somehow i thought he did . . . but wasn't there something more to it than his simply choosing to go back in time? i was almost sure of it. otherwise, why doesn't he do it more? and who else has done so in marvel? there are loads of FTL guys around.
who else well we don't see many time travel in Marvel
but it's been hinted by Silver Surfer than Any one who can go as fast as him can do it.