I actually find Sidious's wookieepedia' page to be quite informative as to Palpatine's rise to emperor, I have read it a few times and I see nothing about some unknown variable that helped Sidious,it pretty much explains imo how he got his allies/friends that helped him do such things as create the Naboo crisis,fooling the jedi order under their noses for years, rise to chancellorship, the conversion of Dooku and Anakin,creation of the clone army,manipulating the clone wars, creation of the empire and cloning tanks, superweapons, forming the emperor's hands, etc.
This is why I can't stand the "he would be nothing without this person" argument, by that logic the enitre order in which Bane was apart of can be attributed to Kaan who reorganized Darth Ruin's sith empire. And Bane would be almost lost without Revan's teachings such as the thought bomb,force lightning storm ritual and his idea for the sith.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
This is why I can't stand the "he would be nothing without this person" argument, by that logic the enitre order in which Bane was apart of can be attributed to Kaan who reorganized Darth Ruin's sith empire. And Bane would be almost lost without Revan's teachings such as the thought bomb,force lightning storm ritual and his idea for the sith.
Precisely. One could cite that Kaan served as direct inspiration for Bane as well, as it was through Kaan's structure of the Sith Order that forced Bane to act; one could also, obviously, cite Revan as well. When one uses the [ridiculous] logic that Nebaris has subscribed to, we can crown any Sith prior to Bane as the most influential of all time.
A few other things that bother me with whole Bane is directly responsible for the revenge of the sith.
This network of spies is suppose to last for a thousand years? I doubt it.
I would also say while the republic is corrupt by major corporations(not the first time a corporation has a big say in the history of the galaxy) who ultimately held a lot of power in the republic (for their own financial benefit/greed) it was Sidious who put them on the road to forming the confederacy. I would also that the republic prior to the TPM was still in a better state than the republic of Bane's time. Bane's vast network of spies were not responsible for the jedi purge. Had sidious not found a way to wipe of the jedi(without any repercussions for the galaxy at large) then any sith ran corporation( that bane's spies could even remotely be attributed to having a role in) would have a difficult time running the galaxy while the arch rivals still existed.
And if we want to attribute any sith for the success of Sidious it would have to be his master,you know the one who discovered him in Darth Plaugeis.
The problem is that Nebaris would like us to credit Darth Bane with all of the tools at Darth Sidious's disposal, whereas this is not the case. As has already proven, Palpatine's contacts and network of minions were extensive enough that he could have guarenteed himself direct control over the galaxy prior to claiming the Republic itself. Likewise, it seemed that it "dwarfed" the power of the Galactic Senate itself. While Bane is among the most influential, he does not compare, in any true fashion, to his predecessor, who succeeded where Bane could not.
Sith and jedi aside I would also like to see who you guys thinks are the most influential characters in galactic history are.
My new list is this, though some names can be switched in a different order depending on opinion. I feel this list is fairly auucrate.
1.Jango and Bobba Fett
2.Admiral Ackbar
3.Gillad Palleon
4.Mon Mothma
5.Han Solo
6.Thrawn
7.Canderous Ordo
8.Shimrra/Onimi
9.Wedge Antillies
10. Padme
11.Jagged Fel
Originally posted by Gideon
Tarkin?
I was debating about him but it depends on what you consider by influential imo he was certainly a very important in the galactic empire prior to his death but my list the characters had a great impact on the galaxy post after their death(while he mostly affected the maw installation after his death) whether in directly or indirectly. He would be the next character on my list. Personally I don't feel his early career is not as important as other characters prior to their prime.
Originally posted by Gideon
Is this in order? Because I fail to see how the Exile compares.As far as Sith are concerned, all of Palpatine's apprentices (with the exception of Darth Maul) are top five material. Count Dooku and Darth Vader are on a level beneath Sidious himself. Bane, Revan, and Marka Ragnos are also among the most influential.
Nope, complete random order....
Originally posted by Nebaris
Perhaps if we were to go by your absurd false comparison, sure.
Seriously Gideon, if this was the first I'd ever seen of you, I'd actually think you were stupid. The same goes for you Elite Hunter. I'd expect this kind of bullshit from the darthsiths of the forum, or the tdtds, or the Pyron Knights, but not from you guys.
All that Revan, the Sith of the past, and Kaan (!) did was provide him with inspiration. Last time I checked, I wasn't arguing that Bane was the more influential Dark Lord of the Sith simply because he provided Palpatine with inspiration, I was arguing that he was the more influential Sith Lord because:
It doesn't make him the more influential Sith, it simply means he owes nearly everything to his predecessor, and likely would have been a nobody without him. [/B]
I could respond to the rest of your pathetic argument but it would be pointless since you're too stupid to understand simple concepts. So once again, if we use your logic with Bane and Sidious, then Revan is more influential than Bane.
Originally posted by exanda kane
Is there a lonely boy hidden underneath that dense exterior? That's like saying Chuck Palahniuk deserves to be put in a trophy shelf alongside his betters - get over yerself.
We had a discussion about this shortly after the death of my friend, and we agreed to disagree. I have no patience for your constant negativity. I normally appreciate good sarcasm or a good jab or bait, but this is trolling and flaming over totally subjective beliefs. Perhaps if you could prove that Publius is inferior, you might have a point.
Reported.
Originally posted by NebarisWow, this takes the cake for imprudence.
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The thread topic is "who has been most influential to the galaxy." Not "who has been most influential in creating the biggest influence to the galaxy."
Had Bane actually done what Palpatine did, Bane would take top spot. As it was his successor, said successor take top spot. As it is, Bane provided to Palpatine what Morpheus provided to Neo: He showed him the door, but Palpatine walked through it. Grandpa could instruct little Billy on HOW to build the nuclear warhead, but it's little Billy who annihilated New York City and conquered the Northern hemisphere.
Nebaris, Noobaris, Greg, whatever the hell you wanna call yourself, you ought to consider why your the butt-end of jokes here, instead of validating them.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Wow, this takes the cake for imprudence.The thread topic is "who has been most influential to the galaxy." Not "who has been most influential in creating the biggest influence to the galaxy."
Had Bane actually done what Palpatine did, Bane would take top spot. As it was his successor, said successor take top spot. As it is, Bane provided to Palpatine what Morpheus provided to Neo: He showed him the door, but Palpatine walked through it. Grandpa could instruct little Billy on HOW to build the nuclear warhead, but it's little Billy who annihilated New York City and conquered the Northern hemisphere.
Nebaris, Noobaris, Greg, whatever the hell you wanna call yourself, you ought to consider why your the butt-end of jokes here, instead of validating them.
Absolutely correct. And though I continue to vouch for Nebaris's intelligence, he can't be expected to be objective when it comes to Bane and Sidious, and would rather try to extrapolate and speculate, whereas I have conclusive statements from numerous sources. Evidence > speculation.