Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not a boxing fan so I have kind of a random question for anyone who knows. Is there an actual written rule in boxing saying that you can't flip around the ring and such?
I believe that you are not allowed, because it is not proper defense use to block, evade, or counter punches. You have to be standing unless you are evading or advancing. No jumping.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not a boxing fan so I have kind of a random question for anyone who knows. Is there an actual written rule in boxing saying that you can't flip around the ring and such?
Yeah and you can't, basically a fighter has to have their feet planted on the ground. The fighter is not even allowed to do a superman punch [jumping punch]
Originally posted by -K-M-
Did you read the whole issue? As Spectre allowed that to happen in order to make Batman feel better. He even commented he "allowed" it to happen as even Batman was shocked right after the kick that he even touched him
Yup that he allowed the hit to happen. Not the blood. So its still impressive because Spectre is greater then Grundy.
Besides Batman defeated Grundy in three punches, and has minor stunned Wonderwoman and had the advantage on Aquaman which is also more impressive then Grundy. Its impressive the feat of Wildcat but not anything "superior" if that was your intent. If it was not your intent then ignore this comment.
The Aquaman feat happened in legends of dc universe 27 and the other in Wonderwoman 212 IIRC.
Yeah, so how is losing to Batman bad again? When he has beat Aquaman and even Amazo hand to hand. Also just to note Wildcat has beaten Batman into a bloddy mess in their training sessions before. I really don't think people have read much Wildcat here.
I wouldn't mind see there training but in there fight Batman had the edge IIRC and caught Wildcat with a right cross and stunned Wildcat as it ended the fight IIRC.
In another fight Wildcat grabbed Bats from behind like a wrestler and told Bat he didn't teach him all his dirty secrets in dirty fighting. As Batman headbutted him with the back of his head which ended the fight I believe.
So Wildcat is good but with the aid of DD's radar/senses I see DD taking the majority IMO.
Just to note in the same issue where Batman made Darkseid bleed he actually lifted up and held onto Highfather's staff, which earlier was said in the same arc would incinerate anyone who touched it. Even Desaad and Darkseid had to wear specially created gloves to handle it, but not Batman.
I'll have to recheck the issue but I don't think that effects the feat, IMO considering Batman did the kick before he grabbed the staff anyhow.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yup that he allowed the hit to happen. Not the blood. So its still impressive because Spectre is greater then Grundy.Besides Batman defeated Grundy in three punches, and has minor stunned Wonderwoman and had the advantage on Aquaman which is also more impressive then Grundy. Its impressive the feat of Wildcat but not anything "superior" if that was your intent. If it was not your intent then ignore this comment.
The Aquaman feat happened in legends of dc universe 27 and the other in Wonderwoman 212 IIRC.
Or which makes the most logical sense he made the blood appear, as the King of Tears ripped him apart and I don't recall him bleeding at all. Hell, Spectre really doesn't bleed really at all.
He used pressure points, not punches and didn't do what Wildcat did. Yeah it was to show an impressive feat, not to show he is the be all be all ultimate character.
I know, I even referenced him beating Aquaman earlier. So like I said how is Grundy losing to Batman a bad feat again considering all of Batman's feats?
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I wouldn't mind see there training but in there fight Batman had the edge IIRC and caught Wildcat with a right cross and stunned Wildcat as it ended the fight IIRC.In another fight Wildcat grabbed Bats from behind like a wrestler and told Bat he didn't teach him all his dirty secrets in dirty fighting. As Batman headbutted him with the back of his head which ended the fight I believe.
So Wildcat is good but with the aid of DD's radar/senses I see DD taking the majority IMO.
I'm thinking of making a Wildcat respect thread, but he has to many comics to cover so I doubt I will.
I recall that, but Wildcat wasn't out that just ended the fight [as in focused elesewhere and we didn't see anything else], and I think Batman mentioned something about Wildcat taught him to fight dirty.
I thought this was without radar, but yeah if he has it I can see him taking a majority, but it definetly would be close
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'll have to recheck the issue but I don't think that effects the feat, IMO considering Batman did the kick before he grabbed the staff anyhow.
It's a mention Batman was doing insane level feats, which by all accounts he shouldn't
Originally posted by -K-M-
So like I said how is Grundy losing to Batman a bad feat again considering all of Batman's feats?
its not a bad feat...but it shows that someone like DD could take down those 'versions' of Grundy as well, with his MA skill and pressure point knowledge. Taking down weak grundy aint nuthin to write home about.
Originally posted by Starscream M
its not a bad feat...but it shows that someone like DD could take down those 'versions' of Grundy as well, with his MA skill and pressure point knowledge. Taking down weak grundy aint nuthin to write home about.
Ummm..your the one who said it wasn't impressive, as even Batman beat him. Which isn't exactally accurate as he didn't punch Grundy out like what Wildcat did with his boxing skills. Pressure points and MA skills are pointless in a boxing match, and guess what this match is? oh yeah a boxing match, now do you follow?
What issues did "street-level" Grundy take place, as I bet money you didn't read the issues as in the Batman vs. Deathstroke thread your account of events are dupious at best.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Pressure points and MA skills are pointless in a boxing match, and guess what this match is? oh yeah a boxing match, now do you follow?
Pressure points are useful in boxing as it makes a huge difference where you land your punches. Also DD's MA skills indirectly help him deal defensively in this match.
Originally posted by Starscream M
Pressure points are useful in boxing as it makes a huge difference where you land your punches. Also DD's MA skills indirectly help him deal defensively in this match.
Ummm..what? I take it you never have boxed before let alone watched it.
Endulge me, how are you going to his pressure points wearing 14 oz to 20 oz gloves? Especially the way Batman and Daredevil hit pressure points
Originally posted by -K-M-actually I have boxed before, and it makes a difference where you land your punches to inflict maximal damage. Some areas can easily disorient a person without max force, other areas can do a lot of collateral damage (ie liver shots)
Ummm..what? I take it you never have boxed before let alone watched it.
Originally posted by Starscream M
actually I have boxed before, and it makes a difference where you land your punches to inflict maximal damage. Some areas can easily disorient a person without max force, other areas can do a lot of collateral damage (ie liver shots)
Oh right, I forgot your a vigilante that patrols the streets. Ummm....lulz, nice dodge. How are you going to hit pressure points again with the gloves? A liver shot is not a pressure point it's a high impact force located in a specific area, NOT a pressure point. By that logic I could punch someone on the chin and say it was a pressure point.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh right, I forgot your a vigilante that patrols the streets. Ummm....lulz, nice dodge.
irrelevant to the debate.
Originally posted by -K-M-
How are you going to hit pressure points again with the gloves? A liver shot is not a pressure point it's a high impact force located in a specific area, NOT a pressure point. By that logic I could punch someone on the chin and say it was a pressure point.
I would consider a temple shot a pressure point.
Originally posted by -K-M-no, actually there's a sensitive nerve cluster around the temple region...which is why a blow there is much more effective then say a blow of equal force to the chin
Except a temple shot disorients the brain from the concussive force directly to it, not by having a pressure point hit. So once again....no.
Originally posted by Starscream M
no, actually there's a sensitive nerve cluster around the temple region...which is why a blow there is much more effective then say a blow of equal force to the chin
Wrong, when someone gets hit on the chin or the temple it jars the brain causing it to collide with the inside of your skrull and while it bounces around this causes people to be knocked out or disoriented. So once again...no.
Hitting someone directly on the chin can instantly knock a person out 😬