Originally posted by Starscream M
alright, then I take your word for it. btw, I don't think DD wins...I'm just saying his knowledge of pressure points and MA isn't completely useless.
The temple has a nerve cluster and hitting it does hurt, but the reason people get knocked out is their brain being jarred from colliding with the inside of their skrull.
His MMA skill would help with his foot work, but most of his skills would be negated as he can't fully use his agility, kicks, ground work, submissions, etc.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Or which makes the most logical sense he made the blood appear, as the King of Tears ripped him apart and I don't recall him bleeding at all. Hell, Spectre really doesn't bleed really at all.
Nope check the scans he did make Spectre bleed. But Spectre powerlevel can vary at times like Grundy. But its just more impressive with the title that each one holds.
He used pressure points, not punches and didn't do what Wildcat did. Yeah it was to show an impressive feat, not to show he is the be all be all ultimate character.
Actually he hit those pressure points with punches and a kick under Loeb. Plus thats not the fight I was referencing too anyhow. Not the Loeb one, but the one were it shows Batman punching upwards three times and putting Grundy down.
I know, I even referenced him beating Aquaman earlier. So like I said how is Grundy losing to Batman a bad feat again considering all of Batman's feats?
I never stated it is a bad feat. On the contrary it as impressive as Wildcats IMO.
I'm thinking of making a Wildcat respect thread, but he has to many comics to cover so I doubt I will.I recall that, but Wildcat wasn't out that just ended the fight [as in focused elesewhere and we didn't see anything else], and I think Batman mentioned something about Wildcat taught him to fight dirty.
Batman stated Wildcat doesn't know dirty IIRC and then hit Wildcat with the back of his head.
Plus there was another fight were Batman had the edge in a fight as he punched him in the end as they both had small spikes on there gloves while fighting.
I thought this was without radar, but yeah if he has it I can see him taking a majority, but it definetly would be closeIt's a mention Batman was doing insane level feats, which by all accounts he shouldn't
Agreed but considering not that was not the real Darkseid it makes it somewhat plot. If you think about it Grundy high "end" feats of trading off with Superman and other elite bricks also demonstrate Batman or Wild Cat should not be able to do that to him as well. But the plot or his powerlevel changes as well.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Nope check the scans he did make Spectre bleed. But Spectre powerlevel can vary at times like Grundy. But its just more impressive with the title that each one holds.
Yeah I know, you missed my point. I said he most likely made the blood appear to make Batman feel better. For 99% of his showings, Spectre doesn't bleed blood as he is already dead and is in fact a spirit. So why would he bleed?
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually he hit those pressure points with punches and a kick under Loeb. Plus thats not the fight I was referencing too anyhow. Not the Loeb one, but the one were it shows Batman punching upwards three times and putting Grundy down.
Key word, hit pressure points. While Wildcat physically abused him with his punches and forced him to cough up blood. You can't even compare the two, and yeah I know the other instance, and Batman didn't do what WC did
Originally posted by Daredevil1
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I never stated it is a bad feat. On the contrary it as impressive as Wildcats IMO.
No, but another member did and for some odd reason you kept debating me about it. As he even said losing to Batman is somehow a bad feat
Originally posted by Daredevil1
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Batman stated Wildcat doesn't know dirty IIRC and then hit Wildcat with the back of his head.
Then there was another time as Batman made comment about Wildcat showing him to fight dirty.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
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Plus there was another fight were Batman had the edge in a fight as he punched him in the end as they both had small spikes on there gloves while fighting.
When was this?
Originally posted by Daredevil1
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Agreed but considering not that was not the real Darkseid it makes it somewhat plot. If you think about it Grundy high "end" feats of trading off with Superman and other elite bricks also demonstrate Batman or Wild Cat should not be able to do that to him as well. But the plot or his powerlevel changes as well.
Where did you hear it wasn't the real Darkseid? Sure, but to say it wasn't impressive what Wildcat did was assine. Especially since Alan Scott during the fight was unsure if he could hurt Grundy either.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Gawd.... 🙄
So do you feel differently? There is no denying it, Wildcat is the best boxer in DC, that's the reason why Batman train under him in the first place. Wildcat is going to win this fight because he is the more experience d boxer, and he has the better boxing skills hands down. Wildcat is also peak human in terms of physical strength. He knocks out meta humans with his bare hands.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
So do you feel differently? There is no denying it, Wildcat is the best boxer in DC, that's the reason why Batman train under him in the first place. Wildcat is going to win this fight because he is the more experience d boxer, and he has the better boxing skills hands down. Wildcat is also peak human in terms of physical strength. He knocks out meta humans with his bare hands.
meh....if you say so.
daredevil's father was a great boxer in his day, some of it might of rubbed off on his son throughout the years (not too sure). what is known is he can definitely fight with his fists.
anyway, dd's agile and sensitive enough to evade bullseye's aim, dodging around the ring to avoid wildcat shouldn't be a major problem. and wildcat's no ninja, he's going to make normal sounding foot falls and grunts when he throws punches. dd's going to pick up all of that.
it's in no way a one sided bout.