EVANGEL94's Final Slugfest Tournament Semi-Finals (5-1): King Kandy vs SmurphSmash!

Well the tournament is now entering the later half. Shall we begin? 🙂

The first 10 hours are reserved for debating. Afterwards all those who wish to vote, and all those still in the tournament, can vote. You are free to ask questions to the contestants, but please limit your questions to informational ones regarding their team/strategy only.

Here are the participants.

King Kandy

Originally posted by King Kandy
"Professor Strange"

Professor Zoom -6 points
http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/zoom.html

Dr. Strange (current and classic)-6 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strange

Amalgam Level 1 - combination of two characters - 4 points

BFR (Battlefield Removal): Remove one foe from the field of battle (failure is possible based on plausibility of battle writeup; removed being can come back so long as he/she has the power to do so within 10 minutes) - 5 points

Prep Time level 2: : One(1) hour spent in either a mystic sanctum - 2 points

Knowledge of the opposition level 2: Names and powers provided, but not level of power -2 points

Total: 25 points

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SmurphSmash! (Zeitgeist)

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Mr. Immortal - 2 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Immortal

Dead Girl - 2 points
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t453087.html

Mystique – 2 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystique_(comics)

Loa – 2 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loa_(comics)

Doorman - 2 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doorman_(comics)

Shadow King - 4 points
http://www.comicvine.com/shadow-king/14889/

Deadman - 4 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman

DKRTYZY RRR - 6 points
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8864/dkrtzyze0.jpg

Prep lvl 1 - 1 point

= 25 points

Area K

k.) Massive underground abandoned underground subway system (Empty tunnels, miles of old track, and old rusty subway cars, and no natural light source)

Okay this one will require minimal effort. It's a safe bet to say this is his strategy: Have DKRTYZY attack my mind an some feeble attempt to "outlast me." This will be easily beaten.

Okay, for my prep I merely make sure I have all my artifacts, and i'll make a bunch of illusions. Let's say 1000. And I will shield my mind with my Eye of Aggamoto, fending off any attempt to attack my mind. I have shown numerous scans of Strange resisting TP far, far above Dkrtzy or Shadow King. I can dig them up if you want to question his resistance.

Okay, once the battle starts I will locate all of Smurph's characters with the eye of Aggamoto, and then I will go to them and open up the eye, sucking them all into the realm of Unreality.

About the Realm of Unreality: Strange got sucked into it when Death drew him into the orb of Aggamoto. Later Dr. Strange sucked Silver Dagger into it using the eye. I will do the same to his team. The realm of Unreality is controlled by Aggamoto and Death itself. All conventional knowledge does not apply there. It is stated to be IMPOSSIBLE to leave unless you have Strange level magic. Strange had to defeat Death to leave in a fight. None of his characters have that kind of magic, so they will not be able to escape.

Next, they can't outlast me either. Anyone remember that Strange is also immortal? He can only die in battle, not of natural causes, since he defeated Death. So they don't actually have that edge either. Well, that's how I win. Yup. I can also just destroy their minds if I want, using the eye.

Prep:

Drytzky hangs out in Loa's head.

Shadow King possesses Mystique, right after he mindwipes Loa.

Deadman possesses Mr. Immortal.

Dead Girl, Mystique and Doorman are all going to go incorporeal and chill out in the walls around the tunnel.

Loa's going stay in open view in the tunnel.

Mr. Immortal's going to in open view at the opposite side.

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Dr. Strange, the mind of this amalgam, isn't going to strike down some poor little girl who has no idea WTF she's doing there. So Loa, until further notice, is safe.

RRR's going to just hang out in her head, without her knowledge or consent, until he has an opportunity to attack or is attacked.

Not that Strange attacking him is possible, but I'll just add that clause for the heck of it.

Yeah... anyways, game on.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, once the battle starts I will locate all of Smurph's characters with the eye of Aggamoto, and then I will go to them and open up the eye, sucking them all into the realm of Unreality.

Originally posted by Evangel94

BFR (Battlefield Removal): Remove one foe from the field of battle (failure is possible based on plausibility of battle writeup; removed being can come back so long as he/she has the power to do so within 10 minutes) - 5 points

Originally posted by Cerpin Taxt

....

Also, you're gonna need a lot of scans to prove:

a) Anything at all in your write-up
b) That it's still cannon, now that Strange is much weaker

Okay, well in that case Strange will BFR Dkrtsy. He has basic knowledge of his opponents, so he will know that Dkrtsy is the biggest threat and BFR him after locating him. The rest will be contained with the crimson bands of Cyttorak.

Okay, so just why is everyone in your prep doing what they're doing? It certainly doesn't seem very in character. Why is Dkrtzy in Loa's mind? I've yet to see any evidence that is an in-character action. Why would Deadman possess an ally? That seems very implausible as well. And why would they just hang out intangible in a wall for all eternity? They are people of action. Bad characterization is all over the place in your write up.

Anyway, the Eye of Aggamoto has never been depowered. It is the same as always. None of his artifacts have been depowered and it is the eye that is preforming the BFR.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
More on Drtzky.

http://www.glcorps.org/dkrtzy_r.html

"Drtzky can only be percieved by the Guardians"

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:2o06laY3swIJ:www.negativespace.net/wildcat/archives/004203.html+dkrtzy+RRR&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

"Dkrtzy Rrr, on the other hand, does attend meetings. But since he is an abstract mathematical progression, only the Guardians notice his presence." (A. Moore)

Originally posted by Zeitgeist

Eye of Agamotto or not, you can't perceive RRR. It's not a physical thing (invisibility, etc), it's a mental thing.

Only Guardians (and presumably people on similar levels of the power hierarchy and mental hierarchy) can percieve RRR.

He's an abstract concept, without an M-Body.

You see a lost little girl, and no math equation.

While you're talking to her, Deadman possesses you, Drtzky wipes your brain, Shadow King ****s with your mind or any of them mess with Loa's mind and she one-shots you.

Or Dead Girl does the same thing. Or Mystique. Hell, even Doorman can beat up on you and you can't do anything about it.

As for my other characters, you haven't presented a resonable option to reach them, much less attempt to cast the bands of Cyttorak on them. Which wouldn't work on Shadow King, Doorman or Dead Man.

So, we beat on you until you fall. Half the team or more can one-shot you. Half or more you can't affect.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, so just why is everyone in your prep doing what they're doing? It certainly doesn't seem very in character. Why is Dkrtzy in Loa's mind? I've yet to see any evidence that is an in-character action. Why would Deadman possess an ally? That seems very implausible as well. And why would they just hang out intangible in a wall for all eternity? They are people of action. Bad characterization is all over the place in your write up.

Anyway, the Eye of Aggamoto has never been depowered. It is the same as always. None of his artifacts have been depowered and it is the eye that is preforming the BFR.

Or perhaps he stays there to protect an innocent girl.

Deadman's possessed the supers before for basic communication. Possessing someone he knows can recover from it in seconds in order to combine a mind that never sleeps with a body that never dies, and to hang until he decides to possess Strange isn't out of character at all. Hell, do you even know Deadman... at all?

And they would hang out intangible because they all have extremely good survival instincts, and know nothing about who they're up against. So they move out to observe before launching an attack. And I wouldn't describe Doorman as a "man of action". Dead Girl knows how to stay back and wait, and is extremely logical. Shadow King's very smart, clever and sneaky, so it's not at all out of character.

Did you really just apply a base super hero motif to each of my characters, and shoot blindly hoping to establish something resembling a valid point?

Because it certainly seems likely.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Eye of Agamotto or not, you can't perceive RRR. It's not a physical thing (invisibility, etc), it's a mental thing.

Only Guardians (and presumably people on similar levels of the power hierarchy and mental hierarchy) can percieve RRR.

He's an abstract concept, without an M-Body.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
While you're talking to her, Deadman possesses you, Drtzky wipes your brain, Shadow King ****s with your mind or any of them mess with Loa's mind and she one-shots you.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
As for my other characters, you haven't presented a resonable option to reach them, much less attempt to cast the bands of Cyttorak on them. Which wouldn't work on Shadow King, Doorman or Dead Man.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Drtzky's chilling in Loa's mind because his normal place to reside is inside a mind, and as the epitome of logic he would know that she's the best place to remain in order to stage an attack.

Or perhaps he stays there to protect an innocent girl.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
And they would hang out intangible because they all have extremely good survival instincts, and know nothing about who they're up against. So they move out to observe before launching an attack. And I wouldn't describe Doorman as a "man of action". Dead Girl knows how to stay back and wait, and is extremely logical. Shadow King's very smart, clever and sneaky, so it's not at all out of character.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The eye of Aggamoto can perceive abstract beings...

Followed by proof that when you try to use a dimension suck on something you can't physically effect, that it could work.

Originally posted by King Kandy
🙄 TP defense and eye of aggamoto remember? Neither the IG nor numerous Gods could affect him with TP. His TP resistance is godly. And how the hell can Loa one shot me?

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
....

Also, you're gonna need a lot of scans to prove:

b) That it's still cannon, now that Strange is much weaker

And Loa can walk through you. What if the little girl walks up to give the kind stranger a hug... and it turns out Shadow King just made her deconstruct your torso?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I detect them with the eye of Aggamoto, and then use the Crimson bands, which can hold spirit bodies so holding you shouldn't be any problem, even if you are intangible.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Proof of being able to percieve something only Skyfather +'s can (an abstract concept without an M-Body)?

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Followed by proof that when you try to use a dimension suck on something you can't physically effect, that it could work.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
And Loa can walk through you. What if the little girl walks up to give the kind stranger a hug... and it turns out Shadow King just made her deconstruct your torso?

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Shadow King isn't a "spirit body"... nor is Door Man... and I'd like to see proof of this anyways. The bands have been defeated before, numerous times, so this being your failsafe defense seems unlikely.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay. Show me evidence that he normally resides in people's mind. He does it as an attack, but how do you know it's his normal residence? How do you know he's logical? I'd like some evidence. How do you know he's the type to protect an innocent girl?

We know he's smart enough to act on his own without any other support from other characters, smart enough to attack the mental element of a character and smart enough to regularly attend meetings, etc.

We also know he'll be granted his fondest wish, etc., if his enemy is defeated.

If he DOESN'T need to hang in somebody's head? Fine. He hangs in the air.

NONE of this is important to the overall plan.

You're gonna have to reach a little bit farther to make this at all relevant.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Hows it even going to help you? Dr. Strange fights intangible people all the time (Hello, does Astral bodies ring a bell? The thing Dr. Strange spends like half his time fighting?)

Proof that he can cast the Eye of Agamotto and the Crimson Bands while in astral form.

I'd also like to point out that his body would be extremely vulnerable while he did this. He's off mentally battling with Shadow King in some random five feet of wall, and Dead Girl comes from the other side and kills him. Or Loa does. Or Door Man does. Etc, etc.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, fine. Dr. Strange perceived Shuma Gorath when he was hiding his true form.

Not the same thing at all.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, sure. It was Strange's astral form that was sucked into the orb, not his body. AKA an intangible being. Strike two.

Wasn't his intangible form's hands just CRUSHED BY THE HULK?

You can crush a math equation. Meaning you're still hooped on this point.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Because I have knowledge of my foes. I won't let her walk through me. Plus, Zoom's powers... she'll be standing still compared to me.

Loa hugs you. End game.

Originally posted by King Kandy
My POINT was that astral bodies are intangible. Thus, the bands can constrain intangible beings. AKA every time Dr. Strange uses them during and astral battle.

He can't even beat a ninja, or teleport out of Japan.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Because he's a GL, responsible, trusted by the Guardians, lent power by Mogo, and is a fighter of good backed by will.

We know he's smart enough to act on his own without any other support from other characters, smart enough to attack the mental element of a character and smart enough to regularly attend meetings, etc.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
That's fantastic.

Proof that he can cast the Eye of Agamotto and the Crimson Bands while in astral form.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
I'd also like to point out that his body would be extremely vulnerable while he did this. He's off mentally battling with Shadow King in some random five feet of wall, and Dead Girl comes from the other side and kills him. Or Loa does. Or Door Man does. Etc, etc.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
😂

Not the same thing at all.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
An intangible being can be affected by a number of things.

Wasn't his intangible form's hands just CRUSHED BY THE HULK?

You can crush a math equation. Meaning you're still hooped on this point.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
You know their names and powers... you won't know it's her.

Loa hugs you. End game.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So he can attack and attend meetings. Oh yes, sounds very smart. That's something any retard can do. Seriously.

Lulz?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I find it very hard to believe that you have no read any comics in which he has done so. But I can provide issues in which he does so (I have no scanner though.)

Kind of important side notes.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That WOULD be true, except that Dr. Strange has Zoom's powers and thus everyone is pretty much standing still compared to him. And BTW, if someone enters my mind I can just overload them like Flash did to Thinker.

Also, proof that the Crimson Bands will cast if you're moving at high speeds?

I am done with you. You are asking such stupid questions. Like that high speed thing, WTF?

"Can you prove that the bands can be cast in the presence of a broken down subway?" will be your next question. Or if I can PROVE the bands will work on DC characters. This is beyond ridiculous. I am so done with you. Here's a question of my own "can you prove that your powers have any effect on the sorcerer supreme?" that is about the quality of these questions. You do not give me much hope for this tourney. This is just stupid.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Actually they are VERY similar scenarios. Both involve an imperceivable Skyfather+ being, who Strange can easily detect.

(He has, for info, the name: Drytzyky RRR, and Powers: Anything he can imagine, so long as he has the willpower... hardly enough to locate something. He wouldn't even be looking for an abstract concept)

The other involves a magical illusion cast by an easily perceivable being...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay... so you concede that intangible beings can be sucked into the orb? You kind of have to, given it's happened in the past.

And proof that every intangible being works like an astral projection? I have half a dozen different forms of intangibility on my team, so I know for damn certain you can't prove the last one.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I won't approach anyone. Given how there are ENEMIES ALL AROUND ME why would I possibly accept a hug from her? Plus she is standing still relative to me. Fail.

It's up to Strange.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I am done with you. You are asking such stupid questions. Like that high speed thing, WTF?

Like meditation in order to astral project, etc.

Originally posted by King Kandy
"Can you prove that the bands can be cast in the presence of a broken down subway?" will be your next question. Or if I can PROVE the bands will work on DC characters. This is beyond ridiculous. I am so done with you. Here's a question of my own "can you prove that your powers have any effect on the sorcerer supreme?" that is about the quality of these questions. You do not give me much hope for this tourney. This is just stupid.

You're attempting, with a character vastly depowered from his previous showings, to use powers in conjunction when you have no idea (obviously) concerning the parameters of the powers themselves. You're then attempting to make abstract correlations in order to prove you can pull off a half-assed write-up that you decided upon after doing NO research on my characters and giving no thought to the arena (which you expressed even after Evangel gave you fair warning). You then had a hissy fit upon the realization that I can even post more relevant scans concering DRTZYKY than you can concerning Strange.

Next time read up.

This is how it plays out:

-Strange arrives, and uses the eye of agamatto. The eye misses RRR, because Strange can't conceptualize him, has no idea he's up against an abstract math equation, and the eye was MADE by a former sorcer supreme, who would have all of these same problems.

-All he sees is a little girl. Using magic, he can tell she's completely alone, has no idea who she is or why she's there, is very scared, and innocent.

-Even suspecting it might be a trap, Strange has always been extremely noble and kind. He approaches her, cautiously.

-Eventually, even if he just reaches out to touch Loa or vice versa, Shadow King, RRR or Deadman can cause her to take out his stomach, limbs, or any other intervening body part.

-Meanwhile, Deadman can possess him, Shadow King can attack his mind while his defenses are lowered, Drtzky can enter his mind and start erasing memories, all things he can't protect against.

I've thoroughly pointed out the faults in every method of attack he's attempted to cover his ass with after his initial mistake.

He's failed to put down one of mine, or prove any of his even valid.

End match.